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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Last edited by KanadaHye; 04-09-2011, 10:47 AM.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by KanadaHye View PostSo 12000 years ago, you're sure that the region was called Syria.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostMukuch is taking an a-la-Turka approach to geography.
I'm not talking about the modern country of Syria that has been in existence for less than a century - why would we use modern borders to understand a 12000 year old site? I am talking about the geographical region that is called Syria. Urfa is in Northern Syria.
Take a look at the drilled holes from 2:30-3:00
Some more video of Hattusha: the Hittite Capital
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostBy your ideology shouldn't you be saying "don't forget the ones in Historical Britain"? Canada was once part of the British Empire, Ireland was once part of Britain. If you are strictly following your own ideology, it isn't important that Newgrange was built by people long before anyone who could reasonably be called "British" (or Irish) existed.Last edited by KanadaHye; 04-09-2011, 10:29 AM.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by KanadaHye View PostDon't forget the one in Canada (and Ireland)!
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by Siggie View PostEverything I've seen says 6 miles from Urfa and not in Urfa. I don't know 6 miles in what direction or where the borders are... that's why I said expressing an opinion on this wouldn't be an informed one. Besides, even if it's outside the border, it doesn't mean it wasn't built by the nearest country there because it was an ideal location for it. You can't move the mountain within your borders then build something there. It just seems like there's no reliable physical evidence yet from the site itself as to what the place was, what it was used for, and who built it.
Anyone have a more precise location for it?Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-09-2011, 10:25 AM.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by retro View PostWhilst Hittite, much like present day Armenia had Caucasian/Balkan cultural/ethnic aspects. Hittite was significantly different from other Indo-European languages and is Centum. So Hittite had closer ties to Greek and the other western languages. Than Armenian which is regarded as an outlier in the Satem group.
The Hurrians a some point aquired a IE elite and many researches suspect that the Urarto-Hurrians had very distant PIE links.
The Armenians according to Diakonoff, are then an amalgam of the Hurrians (and Urartians), Luvians and the Mushki. After arriving in its historical territory, Proto-Armenian would appear to have undergone massive influence on part the languages it eventually replaced. Armenian phonology, for instance, appears to have been greatly affected by Urartian, which may suggest a long period of bilingualism.”
Greppin (1991) identifies 16 possible Old Armenian words with a Hurro-Urartian etymology: agarak "field" from Hurrian awari "field"; astem "to reveal one's ancestry" ad Hurrian asti "woman, wife"; art "field" ad Hurrian arde "town"; xnjor "apple" from Hurrian hinz-ore "apple"; kut "grain" from Hurrian kade "barley" (rejected by Diakonoff); maxr "pine" from Hurrian mahir "fir, juniper"; salor "plum" ad Akkadian salluru "plum", suspected of being of Hurrian origin; tarma-jur "spring water" from Hurrian tarmani "source"; arciw "eagle" from Urartian Arsiba, a proper name with a presumed meaning of "eagle"; xarxaler "to destroy" from Urartian harhar-s- "to destroy"; sar "tree" from Urartian sare "garden"; cov "sea" from Urartian sue "sea"; ult "camel from Urartian ultu "camel"; pelem "dig, excavate" from Urartian pile "canal" (rejected by Diakonoff); san "kettle" from Urartian sane "kettle, pot"; sur "sword", from Urartian sure "sword" (considered doubtful by Diakonoff).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Armenian_language
There a better assessment of Diakonoff's work can be found here:
The Pre-history of the Armenian People
http://rbedrosian.com/Classic/diakph10.htmLast edited by KanadaHye; 04-08-2011, 02:06 PM.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post"The Hurri-Mitanni kingdom of Armenia kept close contact with its western neighbor, Hittite or Hatti land. Masses of population were often transplanted from one country to the other."
The Hurrians a some point aquired a IE elite and many researches suspect that the Urarto-Hurrians had very distant PIE links.
A common ancestor of Indo-European and Hurrian
There is an interesting monograph by Fournet & Bomhard on the Indo-European Elements in Hurrian (pdf). I will leave the linguistic details to the experts, as I doubt that many people are competent in both Proto-Indo-European and Hurrian to assess the authors' thesis. However, this is the bit that captured my attention:
Hurrian cannot be considered an Indo-European language — this is so obvious that it barely needs to be stated. Traditional Indo-European languages, such as Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Gothic, Old Irish, Old Church Slavic, Tocharian, etc., are clearly related to each other through many common features and shared innovations that are lacking in Hurrian.
However, that is not the end of the argument. In the preceding chapters, we presented evidence that Hurrian and Proto-Indo-European “[bear] a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could have been produced by accident; so strong that no philologer could examine [them] without believing them to have sprung from some common source.” In this chapter, we will discuss our views on what that common source may have been like. In so doing, we will have to delve deeply into prehistory, well beyond the horizon of what is traditionally reconstructed for Proto-Indo-European in the traditional handbooks.
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Our discussion now comes to an end. In the course of this book, we have attempted to show, through a careful analysis of the relevant phonological, morphological, and lexical data, that Urarto-Hurrian and Indo-European are, in fact, genetically related at a very deep level, as we indicated at the beginning of this chapter by quoting from the famous Third Anniversary Discourse (1786) of Sir William Jones. We propose that both are descended from a common ancestor, which may be called “Proto-Asianic”, to revive an old, but not forgotten, term.
On the basis of genetic data I have recently proposed an origin of the Indo-Aryans in the Transcaucasus, based on their possession of a genetic component related to that of modern Northeast Caucasian speakers and the putative relationship of the latter with the Hurro-Urartian group. If the Hurrian-Indo-European "Proto-Asianic" hypothesis is true, then it would strengthen that hypothesis as it would place the Proto-Indo-Europeans in the vicinity of the Hurrians.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/02...opean-and.htmlLast edited by retro; 04-08-2011, 12:35 PM.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by KanadaHye View PostAnyone can learn to read/write a language. Just because people on the internet can communicate in Armenian doesn't mean they have good intentions towards the people of Armenia. Again, this is not a reference to you. Why is it that you take everything I write personally when I have repeatedly stated that I'm not arguing with you!!!!
You know that particular accusation bothers me... I'm like 95% sure you've been in the chat when I've talked about that.
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Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostThank you. I've contacted the Smithsonian Magazine about this (stmarytoronto.com) website.
I don't know what aspect of it their lawyers will find the most offensive and actionable: the use of copyrighted text and photographs, or the altering of the original text to display bigoted ideology.
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