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    Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

    TBILISI, Georgia — Ever since ouster of Egyptian strongman President Hosni Mubarak two years ago, Adel has faced a difficult dilemma: Leave behind a relatively cushy life in Egypt or stay and risk discrimination and violence as religious and sectarian tensions rise.

    Visa restrictions are narrowing his options, so the successful, middle-class Coptic Christian and the father of two says he’s considering uprooting his family to start anew in an unlikely place: A small ex-Soviet country with a different language, culture and climate from his own.

    “In Egypt, it’s difficult to get visas to the U.S. or Europe,” 50-year-old Adel says. “We didn’t chose Georgia, Georgia is choosing us.”

    He’s not alone. Christian minorities from both Egypt and Syria are starting to look to the South Caucasus countries of Georgia and Armenia as a refuge from violence and uncertainly.

    The choice isn’t as random as it may seem. Sandwiched between Turkey, Iran and Russia’s predominately Muslim North Caucasus regions, both Georgia and Armenia have ancient Christian traditions dating back to the 4th century. Their churches are closely related to the Copts and other Eastern Christian confessions.

    Full article: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...eorgia-armenia
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    Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
    Despite the apparent urgency of the crisis for Armenians in Syria, Armenia remains a remote and distant focus,” Giragosian wrote in Oxford Analytica in December. “Even some of those now coming to Yerevan may be only treating it as a temporary refuge.
    Armenia is not a welcoming place for poor or homeless Armenians! There is no solidarity! If you are an Armenian from abroad with money, you might be better accepted (because you might be of help to them through your financial position or contacts abroad), but you will probably be faced with envy. This is the root of the problem with Armenians, but we don't see detailed discussions anywhere

    Syrians are mostly going to Russia, not Armenia or Georgia. Armenians from Syria are likely to be better received in Russia than Armenia

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      Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

      Originally posted by lampron View Post
      ........... Armenians from Syria are likely to be better received in Russia than Armenia


      Can you substantiate this.
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

        Dear Armenians as a first priority please consider safety, for you and your children, at choosing your final location, if you are forced to leave this final/last time.

        Arab world is on the edge of violent religious clashes. Extremists are “eating enemies”. And their so called enemies soon alas … would become, first of all Christians, as usual.

        Money/home you had been able to earn/build even in hostile settings all over the world; please construct your final everlasting home at the motherland.

        Don’t make your children գաղթական, if you are forced to leave/relocate this time too.

        Construct your home in Armenia and relocate your family their, but if you have a good job abroad you may still work there for a while until … Soon, this year, after signing the EU association agreement I hope economic situation in Armenia will be improved gradually. And, in addition, we would be able to work in EU countries legally.

        Originally posted by gegev View Post
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        Last edited by gegev; 07-28-2013, 02:43 AM.

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          Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

          Originally posted by lampron View Post
          Armenians from Syria are likely to be better received in Russia than Armenia
          LOL, no.

          Though I'm surprised you didn't say Turkey.

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            Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

            Originally posted by TomServo View Post
            LOL, no.

            Though I'm surprised you didn't say Turkey.
            Fact: most Syrian Armenians who arrived in Armenia don't want to stay there (there are those who prefer the hell of Syria, to Armenia - any guesses why? - how about, they don't feel welcome, many say they have been mistreated and some say their savings have been stolen)

            Fact: most of the refugees from Azerbaijan went on to Russia after a brief stay in Armenia and almost no help went to these refugees from the loud mouth Armenian political parties and the Armenian church

            on the other hand you are free to believe in the flat earth theory...

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              Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

              Originally posted by lampron View Post
              Fact: most Syrian Armenians who arrived in Armenia don't want to stay there (there are those who prefer the hell of Syria, to Armenia - any guesses why? - how about, they don't feel welcome, many say they have been mistreated and some say their savings have been stolen)

              Fact: most of the refugees from Azerbaijan went on to Russia after a brief stay in Armenia and almost no help went to these refugees from the loud mouth Armenian political parties and the Armenian church
              Bytch please, I am Syrian Armenian myself (well, half), so I don't need any lessons from you on their (genuine) grievances against the Armenian authorities and oligarchs.

              What you were suggesting in your post, however, was that they are "likely to be better received in Russia," which elicited an "LOL, no" from me because it's laughably erroneous.

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                Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

                Originally posted by lampron View Post
                Fact: most Syrian Armenians who arrived in Armenia don't want to stay there (there are those who prefer the hell of Syria, to Armenia - any guesses why? - how about, they don't feel welcome, many say they have been mistreated and some say their savings have been stolen)

                Fact: most of the refugees from Azerbaijan went on to Russia after a brief stay in Armenia and almost no help went to these refugees from the loud mouth Armenian political parties and the Armenian church

                on the other hand you are free to believe in the flat earth theory...

                Just because you say fact before writing something doesn't make it a fact. I've spent the last two days with several friends who have just returned from Armenia after spending a year, and are set to return in a few weeks, and all of them say the same thing, there are in fact several thousand syrian Armenians in Armenia, all of them starting businesses, staying permanently, and bringing over their entire family. Those who are not able to make it, look at other options, but it's not because they are discriminated against or they find no opportunities. These are people who just survived a war and spend decades amongst Muslims. None of them are clueless sheep. Even if someone was trying to hustle them, or discriminate against them, they aren't fools, and they have seen much worse. From everything I have heard they are doing fairly well, in fact, better than the average citizen of Armenia.

                So if you are Armenian, stop being a fool and repeating Turkish propaganda, if you are a pessimistic cancer of a hopeless and constant xxxxxing Armenian, find some other topic to complain about, and if you are Turk get the xxxx out

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                  Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

                  Originally posted by lampron View Post
                  Fact: most of the refugees from Azerbaijan went on to Russia after a brief stay in Armenia and almost no help went to these refugees from the loud mouth Armenian political parties and the Armenian church
                  Many of them were monolingual in Russian and the move from (then) cosmopolitan Baku to Armenia would certainly have been a major culture shock so it isn't surprising that many opted for Moscow or Leningrad or Rostov.

                  But there does seem to have been an attempt at integration on part of the Soviet Armenian state -- I have attached a picture of a Russian language booklet (printed in 1989 and meant to introduce basic/colloquial Armenian to the reader) that was distributed to Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan.
                  Attached Files

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                    Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

                    Originally posted by Mher View Post
                    None of them are clueless sheep. Even if someone was trying to hustle them, or discriminate against them, they aren't fools, and they have seen much worse. From everything I have heard they are doing fairly well, in fact, better than the average citizen of Armenia.
                    everything you heard that life could not be better for them is exactly the opposite of what I have heard. Read the quote in my post above. You live comfortably and you like to believe in fairly tales? That's up to you
                    So if you are Armenian, stop being a fool and repeating Turkish propaganda, if you are a pessimistic cancer of a hopeless and constant xxxxxing Armenian, find some other topic to complain about, and if you are Turk get the xxxx out
                    perfect answer from a perfectly moronized Armenian!

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