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Will Armenia get Ararat back from Turkey?

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  • Will Armenia get Ararat back from Turkey?

    I know it's ours. But I hate reading about Armenia and Turkey; for Armenia the highest point is not Ararat (its some other mountain I forgot), and for Turkey it's mentioned that Ararat is the highest point!!! Which it shouldn't be.

    I hate that, to the extent that those Turks should give it back to us, they claim that Ararat is now their. Ararat is an Armenian symbol and therefor a Christian Symbol, and in no way do the Turks own Ararat(for once its always been ours, and their not Christians, so WTF???) except in those little books we call the Atlas!!!

    Damn that pisses me off!!!
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    I'm not sure about the fact that Ararat is christian...anyway, I don't think Armenia will get Arrarat because:

    - Now a lot of turkish families are living there and not willing to live in an armenian province

    -If ever Armenia attacks turkia, it must have before the military strenght...which, campared to turkia is insignificant....correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Armenia has an air army. Plus, Turkia is a member of Nato and if Armenia is the agressor, well, you know what happens.

    -Turkia might enter European Union and it'll provide enrichement to the arrarat part of turkia..so if ever Arrarat becomes armenian, the population there will prefer to be Turkish than armenian. We're talking business here!

    Hell Turkia deny the genocide..so how will they accept to give a territory to armenia

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    • #3
      Ararat has nothing to dow ith christianity, in fact it wasnamed after one of our pegan Gods. In any case...we'll see what happens.
      "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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        where's the pied piper when we need him?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
          Ararat has nothing to dow ith christianity, in fact it wasnamed after one of our pegan Gods. In any case...we'll see what happens.
          Ararat is Chrisitian, According to the Bible account in the book of Genesis, Noah's Ark came to rest over 4300 years ago on the mountains of Ararat, how is that not a christian symbol.

          It WILL NEVER BE THEIR'S MWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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          • #6
            the bible says "on the mountainS of Ararat".
            Secondly, its called an air force not an air army and yes we do have one.
            And the highest mountain in Armenian which you speak of is Aragats, try not to be so ignorant about your own country.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yuro
              Ararat is Chrisitian... over 4300 years ago on the mountains of Ararat, how is that not a christian symbol.

              It WILL NEVER BE THEIR'S MWAHAHAHAHA!!!
              First good job to Tigran who after this pointed out that mountains of Ararat doesn't even point to Mount Ararat necesarilly in the first place. For all we know it wasn't on Ararat, we just assume that. Secondly look at what you're saying Yuro... a boat landing over 4300 years ago makes it a Christian mountain?! Come on! Chrisitianity didn't come along for over two thousand more years, so how in the hell can it be a Christian mountain due to Noah's ark?? It's an Old Testament story which Christians took on as their own, but the only truly Christian scriptures are in the New Testament. Anyway, far as I know (which isn't too much) it's Kurds and not Turks who live around Ararat. So maybe MAYBE if they ever make their own country there it's possible we could make a deal for Ararat. I highly doubt they'd give it though, but having Ararat in a "Kurdistan" is certainly better than it in Turkey. We'd at least have more access to it. If this Iraq thing falls to pieces into civil war Kurdistan might very well secede, and then could get the mostly Kurdish population of Eastern Turkey to join them. This is all speculation but it's possible. I wouldn't hold my breath about getting back Ararat though.

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              • #8
                Ararat is an Urartean name, one. Second of all, there is no reason why Ararat should or must come back to Armenians.

                This is essentially the problem with nationalist histories. Borders and boundaries change over time. What once was, will never be, because it is different. You cannot use boundaries and borders from the past, to justify the way the present ought to be. If everyone did that, imagine how many wars we would have throughout the world - more than we have now. That because at a point in history it was in Armenia, and now is not, is not reasonable grounds to want it back. By this logic, since the Mongols one time controlled most of Eurasia that have rights to these lands to be reclaimed back. That because one time Rome extended into Gaulia, that Italy would now want France is not sufficient to reclaim lands. That one time East Prussia was part of Deutschland is not sufficient to have it back. That one time all of Southwest United States was Mexico is not sufficient grounds to hand it back to Mexico. ( but see that Mexicans are breeding, populating, and slowly gaining their lands back. Live and learn. )

                The only way Armenians can gain it back is if they populate, breed, and eventually outnumber and move beyond present border, otherwise no one will simply hand it to them, and nor any arguments of "it was ours once" are going to be sufficient. Living in the past is not viable.
                Achkerov kute.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IAmMadAtAC
                  Anyway, far as I know (which isn't too much) it's Kurds and not Turks who live around Ararat.
                  Mostly nomadic Kurds actually on the mountain slopes. Kurds to the south (Dogubayazit, etc.), Turks (mostly Azeri) to the north (Igdir, etc.)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    The only way Armenians can gain it back is if they populate, breed, and eventually outnumber and move beyond present border, otherwise no one will simply hand it to them, and nor any arguments of "it was ours once" are going to be sufficient. Living in the past is not viable.
                    Yes Anonymouse, and maybe that could happen, if not for an illegal blockade!! Because of that we don't even have the chance to move back into our old lands. Also many of your examples of lost lands such as Rome losing Gaul are thousands of years old. In Armenia's case it was supposed to have Ararat as recent as the 1920s, but Turkey invaded it and stole it's land, not to mention genocide. Jews had a genocide and because the US felt bad for them because of that they were given lands which they hadn't lived in for thousands of years! If they can get those back, I don't see why not Armenia should just forget about Ararat (though of course they are THE JEWS after all and so it could be expected and held to a different standard than the world would with Armenians). The situations are very similar, and Armenia's border is so close to Ararat it's hard to admit it didn't once own it and should at least have access to it. Though at the same time I do realize how this is impossible as long as Turkey owns it, and that the political situation makes any thought of getting it back in any way impossible.

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