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Well, let me stick my Armenian nose into this one:
I really like "Barnon Dants" and "Hayg." Ideologically they make a lot of sense and they are true Armenian patriots.
Moreover, generally speaking, they are both right in their respects regarding "Eastern" and "Western" Armenians. Nevertheless, I, being a Western Armenian, much prefer Eastern Armenians - generally speaking. True Western Armenian Culture was extinguished on the eve of April 24th 1915. Today, all we have left within Diasporan Armenian communities are pockets of surviving Western Armenian intelligencia who will, within a generation or two, disappear altogether. However, we have an independent Armenian Republic within the Caucasus that has a lot of potential and we all need to recognize this and embrace this.
Let us put aside the "Rabiz," who are essentially sore thumbs within our communities - they don’t represent Armenian culture within Armenia (anyone who has visited the nation can see this clearly). I personally have great respect and adoration for Armenians from our Republic. After all it was they that single handedly (with Diasporan support of course) defeated the Turks in the battlefield. Moreover, Armenian Nationalists from Armenia tend to be very progressive, western oriented, highly educated and the people in general have a lot of artistic talent.
The only thing I would like to tell Baron Dants is that we Armenians are not as problematic as it may seem, we are just very opinionated, temperamental and not to mention - obsessive. This is all natural because for thousands of years we have been stuck in the middle of ideological differences. Thus, it is very natural that there will be a severe ideological divide amongst us. Not accepting this divide is to disregard human nature - and we Armenian are only human.
Nevertheless, our ideological divisions did help preserve our nation through the worst of times. When the Persians defeated the Armenian Byzantine faction within Armenia, it was the Armenian Persian faction that administered Armenia. When the Romans defeated the Armenian Persian faction within Armenian, it was the Armenian Roman faction that administered Armenia. When the The European Crusaders entered the region, it was the Armenian "Latin" faction that administered Armenia. The same could be said of the Arab invasions, the Mongol invasions, the Memluk invasions and even the Second World War.
During the Second World War, Armenians had forces on both sides of the battlefield. Although, the Armenian forces within the Whermacht were fighting the Red Army which included large numbers of Armenians, the Armenians of the Whermacht were instrumental in saving the lives of tens of thousands of Armenian prisoners of war. If Hitler had won the war, theoretically at least, Armenian Nazis would have administered Armenia - thus ensuring survival yet again. It so happened that the Red Army won the war and we Armenians were recognized by the Kremlin as great contributors and, thus, we were given more rights within the Soviet Union. In the end, it has all worked out for us - that is the reason why we are here today discussing this.
All nations, including JEWS, have serious internal problems - much more so than us Armenians. We Armenians at the very least have a common goal, our approaches may be a bit different, but the common goal is the preservation of the Armenian Republic and our unique identity. My comment to all those Armenians who rather go to western Armenia instead of the Republic of Armenia: You can all go to hell. Moreover, Armenians who think we are Middle Easterners are just ignorant children. Nevertheless, Armenians who think we are "Europeans" are just self-hating. We are Armenians, ARMENIANS, we are a unique bunch. We are not primitive Middle Easterners and we are not foofoo Europeans.
If anything, we are what Europe aught to be and what the Middle East could never be.
However, I did vote for Europe.
I really like "Barnon Dants" and "Hayg." Ideologically they make a lot of sense and they are true Armenian patriots.
Moreover, generally speaking, they are both right in their respects regarding "Eastern" and "Western" Armenians. Nevertheless, I, being a Western Armenian, much prefer Eastern Armenians - generally speaking. True Western Armenian Culture was extinguished on the eve of April 24th 1915. Today, all we have left within Diasporan Armenian communities are pockets of surviving Western Armenian intelligencia who will, within a generation or two, disappear altogether. However, we have an independent Armenian Republic within the Caucasus that has a lot of potential and we all need to recognize this and embrace this.
Let us put aside the "Rabiz," who are essentially sore thumbs within our communities - they don’t represent Armenian culture within Armenia (anyone who has visited the nation can see this clearly). I personally have great respect and adoration for Armenians from our Republic. After all it was they that single handedly (with Diasporan support of course) defeated the Turks in the battlefield. Moreover, Armenian Nationalists from Armenia tend to be very progressive, western oriented, highly educated and the people in general have a lot of artistic talent.
The only thing I would like to tell Baron Dants is that we Armenians are not as problematic as it may seem, we are just very opinionated, temperamental and not to mention - obsessive. This is all natural because for thousands of years we have been stuck in the middle of ideological differences. Thus, it is very natural that there will be a severe ideological divide amongst us. Not accepting this divide is to disregard human nature - and we Armenian are only human.
Nevertheless, our ideological divisions did help preserve our nation through the worst of times. When the Persians defeated the Armenian Byzantine faction within Armenia, it was the Armenian Persian faction that administered Armenia. When the Romans defeated the Armenian Persian faction within Armenian, it was the Armenian Roman faction that administered Armenia. When the The European Crusaders entered the region, it was the Armenian "Latin" faction that administered Armenia. The same could be said of the Arab invasions, the Mongol invasions, the Memluk invasions and even the Second World War.
During the Second World War, Armenians had forces on both sides of the battlefield. Although, the Armenian forces within the Whermacht were fighting the Red Army which included large numbers of Armenians, the Armenians of the Whermacht were instrumental in saving the lives of tens of thousands of Armenian prisoners of war. If Hitler had won the war, theoretically at least, Armenian Nazis would have administered Armenia - thus ensuring survival yet again. It so happened that the Red Army won the war and we Armenians were recognized by the Kremlin as great contributors and, thus, we were given more rights within the Soviet Union. In the end, it has all worked out for us - that is the reason why we are here today discussing this.
All nations, including JEWS, have serious internal problems - much more so than us Armenians. We Armenians at the very least have a common goal, our approaches may be a bit different, but the common goal is the preservation of the Armenian Republic and our unique identity. My comment to all those Armenians who rather go to western Armenia instead of the Republic of Armenia: You can all go to hell. Moreover, Armenians who think we are Middle Easterners are just ignorant children. Nevertheless, Armenians who think we are "Europeans" are just self-hating. We are Armenians, ARMENIANS, we are a unique bunch. We are not primitive Middle Easterners and we are not foofoo Europeans.
If anything, we are what Europe aught to be and what the Middle East could never be.
However, I did vote for Europe.
Just look these forums. This is the perfect example of how IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY have taken over us. It's like a dark cloud above our heads. Yes, we drive nice cars, wear nice clothes, but we are in a fantasy. This is all bullxxxx when it comes to the real world and real life. We take pleasure in looking down on anyone who is not up to par with our expectations. My neighbors are A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. I live in a complex, in the only townhouse, and the rest of the apartments are like 1-2 bedroom shiitholes. Well, maybe not shiitholes, but anyway...My neighbor has 2 sons, and one of them recently got married. Here's what our parking lot looks like. Mine: A Ford Exploder, 98 (whatever car). Next to me is their spot, or shall I say spots: 1 Mercedes S500. 1 BMW 745. 1 X5, 2 Yukon XL Denali, 1 Mitsubishi Galant. Hmm....guess what? The dad is the only decent one in the family with the intelligence to even raise his head and say hello to my mom and I in the garage. They hold their heads up HIGH TO THE SKY, with a BOGHAZ (big neck) the size of Afghanistan...just looking at them makes me sick. When we moved in, the 2 neighbors that actually came to welcome us were the 2 parskahye women on either side of us. The other one, WONT EVEN SAY HELLO! The son, as RABIZ AS CAN BE, just smirks when he sees me. Perhaps it's because he knows I spit on his cars (not literally), and that I don't give him any attention. WOW LONG TANGENT!!!!!! '
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