So... which countries are our "friends"?

[nakharar]

You are as Albanian as Al Pacino is Italian.

Why would anyone be proud as an Albanian? They are not known for nothing as the rats of Europe since they multiply as such and are known for their looting and tribal vendettas since time immemorial.

The Kosovo Albanians are the worst of them all. Most of the hard criminals in Germany and drug traffickers come from there. The girls are known to be one of the sleaziest, sometimes they are even pimped by their families.

[Murtaza]

Stealing the first born son of Christian families is probably the most important reason why Turks are still hated in Balkan countries. You can call it whatever you like according to your (Turkish) value system.

This is again lie, I think much people believe, If a family have one child, his child should not be taken. so not first born, not much important, but no need to dramatize it.

[Selcen]

Unfortunately that was true Murtaza. The Ottomans continued that practice until the 16th century. The Ottoman Empire had some barbaric practices, so we shouldn't defend them. Ölmüş eşeğin arkasından ağlanmaz. They are dead and gone anyways. The Republic of Turkey is not responsible for their crimes. But we have the duty to protect our Turkish homeland.

[Murtaza]

You have just confirmed that Turkey is a failure as a nation-state if that's how you people feel. No wonder the Ottomans failed. I don't see a future for your country with your lack of national cohesion.


And you just confirmed that you drink too much last night and didnt sleep well. You are dreaming We are here, and we will stay here, It is you who is lefting their main land.

[radar]

Why would anyone be proud as an Albanian? They are not known for nothing as the rats of Europe since they multiply as such and are known for their looting and tribal vendettas since time immemorial.

The Kosovo Albanians are the worst of them all. Most of the hard criminals in Germany and drug traffickers come from there. The girls are known to be one of the sleaziest, sometimes they are even pimped by their families.

Now you started an Albanian hatred?
About Albanian girls, I recommend you Armenian girls who came from Armenia to prostitute at Istanbul streets.

[radar]

About Janissaries, it seems that either Armenians or Turks here do not know anything but stupid stereotypes. Ottomans would not attack Christian villages and steal babies or such.
The Janissary candidates were chosen from the most brilliant childs of those places. 1 or 2 from 1000 child. It was not easy to be chosen as Janissary and the ones who are chosen and their families were feeling themselves very lucky and most of the families, themselves were urging to be chosen their childs, because Janissaries were the ruling elite of the empire and they were very rich comparing to ordinary people.

[Murtaza]

Selcen , dreaming with nakharar? what you said will not change their idea,for them we are the ottomans. Istesende istemesende.

And I know what is yeniceri, but no need to dramatize it, One child never taken.

The Republic of Turkey is not responsible for their crimes

Ask them, If this is true.

[Selcen]

I said first born son. Even if they didn't steal from families with one son this doesn't justify it. Most historians say otherwise. I don't think you would appreciate it if they took you away from your mother when you were a small child, forcibly convert you to Christianity, let you fight in their wars maybe even against your co-ethnics until you were 40-45 years old (that is if you were still alive), live off expropriated lands.

We are not to blame for the crimes and atrocities of the Ottoman Empire. I know they don't accept and we should care less if they don't.

[TJ]

This is interesting, Turks love to say they are not responsible for anything negative that came out of the Ottoman Empire, which is plenty indeed but then you go and brag your heads and claim anything positive or constructive. Cant have your cake and eat it too. (I never understood how this saying makes sense but it seems appropriate here.) Anyway drop your double standards and start being constructive and admitting when you are wrong. 95% of Armenian prostitutes anywhere are victims of human trafficking if you think this is funny, you can go fist yourself heartless bastards. You can go read up on the research done by Ara Manoogian on his blog at http://www.aramanoogian.blogspot.com/ , they mostly researched hte problem in Dubai but it is the same everywhere. Educate yourselves.

[Selcen]

Tigran you raised a good point there. The problem with our society is also the same as yours. We can't accept even the slightest criticism and get furious when our idealised concepts are questioned. I think it has to do with a Middle Eastern inferiority complex.