An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

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Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

The only smart choices I've seen him make is stay loyal to the Russians, and spend more on the millitary.

[Armenian]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

With Iranians, I get the sense that it's more a matter of spiting the Suni, Israel-loving Turks and Azeris. If tomorrow, they normalize their relationship, possibly through the help of Syria, I honestly don't think they will choose Christian Armenia before the Muslim Turks, especially if Turks become more Islamic.

Karo, I fully agree that Russia is vital for Armenia's survival.

However, Russian's, in general, are an unstable bunch. If tomorrow, for example, Putin gets killed and some freak takes over Moscow - it will be a whole new ball game. Consider what happend to Armeno-Russian relations about a hundred years ago.

However, Armeno-Iranian relations are much deeper that you think. Yes, the political situation today dictates that Iran and Armenia need to cooperate. However, Iran and Armenians have always had good relations throughout history. The last time we had a serious problems with Parsiks was back in 451 AD. Even with the fundamentalist government of Iran, Armenians have always been well-liked and respected within Iran, just take a look at the Isfahan's Armenian community or speak to the nearest Parskahav you find.

Also, Iranians are more anti-Turk than us Armenians. If you don't believe me just talk to an Iranian and notice some of the Armenians here with turkish fetishes. Iranians have fought Turks and Sunnis for centuries So, don't expect Iranian attitudes towards Turks and Sunnis to change one bit.

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Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Karo, I fully agree that Russia is vital for Armenia's survival.

However, Russian's, in general, are an unstable bunch. If tomorrow, for example, Putin gets killed and some freak takes over Moscow - it will be a whole new ball game. Consider what happend to Armeno-Russian relations about a hundred years ago.

However, Armeno-Iranian relations are much deeper that you think. Yes, the political situation today dictates that Iran and Armenia need to cooperate. However, Iran and Armenians have always had good relations throughout history. The last time we had a serious problems with Parsiks was back in 451 AD. Even with the fundamentalist government of Iran, Armenians have always been well-liked and respected within Iran, just take a look at the Isfahan's Armenian community or speak to the nearest Parskahav you find.

Also, Iranians are more anti-Turk than us Armenians. If you don't believe me just talk to an Iranian and notice some of the Armenians here with turkish fetishes. Iranians have fought Turks and Sunnis for centuries So, don't expect Iranian attitudes towards Turks and Sunnis to change one bit.

Did you know, that the Parsiks have "jan" too...like its the same word with the same meaning.

I thought it was like exclusive to Armenians.

I no longer feel special.

Edit: Isn't Northern Iran all Azeri tribes? By heritage they are azeri...And they support the Azeris more than they support us.

However, despite what you may think, we are vital to Russia, and probably will be for awhile.

[Armenian]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Did you know, that the Parsiks have "jan" too...like its the same word with the same meaning.

I thought it was like exclusive to Armenians.

I no longer feel special.

Edit: Isn't Northern Iran all Azeri tribes? By heritage they are azeri...And they support the Azeris more than they support us.

However, despite what you may think, we are vital to Russia, and probably will be for awhile.

Bari luys, great portion of our Armenian vocabulary and personal names are derived from the ancient Persians. Terms such as: Patuhan, Hreshtak, Zrah, Panak, ect. Also, if you have a non-Biblical Armenian name, chances are it will be Persian in origin. Armenians and Persians were very close genetically, politically and culturally, untill Islam and Christianity seperated our paths. Today, Armenians are closer to the real ancient Persians than the Persians themselves. The reason: Due to their vast empire and the adoptation of Islam, Persians incorporated large numbers of non-Iranian (non-Aryan) peoples into their society.

Persian Azeris are ethnically Persian, not Turkic. The so-called Azeris of Azerbaijan are a mix of Tatars and native tribes, they are not real Azeris. Don't forget, there was not such country as Azerbaijan untill the turn of the 20th century. Azerbaijan is not a 'nation' its a 'location' within north western Iran. In the Persian language Azerbaijan means land of fire.

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Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Azerbaijan is not a 'nation' its a 'location' within north western Iran. Don't forget, there was not such country as Azerbaijan untill the turn of the 20th century.

Azerbaijan is a nation.

[karoaper]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Bari luys, most of our vocabulary and personal names are derived from the ancient Persians. Such like: Patuhan, Hreshtak, Zrah, Panak, ect.

Didn't know about those words. Hreshtak? Are you certain about this? What are the actual Farsi words?

If you have a non-Biblical Armenian name, chances are it wil be Persian in origin.

I suppose it's by coincidence though, since around the formation of Armenia, Persia was the ruler of the area. I suppose my own name Karen is somehow Persian related. What about the mythical names, like Ara, Gayaneh, Anahit? I read somewhere they were related to gods and goddesses of similar function in other people's mythology, but aren't the names themselves originally Armenian?

[Armenian]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Didn't know about those words. Hreshtak? that suck ... I like that word.

I'm surprised you guys don't know these things. I guess you dingbats were too busy with MTV growing up. BTW: There is nothing wrong with ancient Persians, they were perhaps the greatest classical civilization. Modern Persians... Well, that's another story.

I suppose it's by coincidence though, since around the formation of Armenia, Persia was the ruler of the area. I suppose my own name Karen is somehow Persian related

First of all: The Armenian nation formed approximately two-three thousand BC, not 6th century BC. When Armenia formed as a nation there was no such thing as Persians. However, for about a thousand years (500 BC-500 AD), Armenia was very close to Persia politically. Therefore, its natural that the Armenian language incorporated many Persian words.

You need to take into account the fact that the origins of the ancient Persians are found within the Armenian Highlands. The ancient Persians are essentially a seperated branch of our nation.

[karoaper]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

I'm surprised you guys don't know these things. I guess you dingbats were too busy with MTV growing up. BTW: There is nothing wrong with ancient Persians, they were perhaps the greatest classical civilization. Modern Persians... Well, that's another story.

First of all I'd appreciate a less rude comments, second of all, I didn't grow up on MTV, third of all Persia and Armenia as sub-branches of same peoples is not a theory set in stone. I've read that Hitities are related to us, that Armenians are from the north and a bunch of other theories.

I like your passion on the matter, but get off your high-horse, plz. Unless, you're an "hin tseruk".

[skhara]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

Did you know, that the Parsiks have "jan" too..

A week or so ago, I was searching for some informations on Hizbolah and happenned to come across an Iranian forum. Curiosity naturally drew me in. I did see several times "jan" being used by them.

Persia and Armenia as sub-branches of same peoples is not a theory set in stone.

Nothing is set in stone, but I was interested to read some commentary from Iranians who say that their ancient text point to a movement of their people from the South Caucasian highland.

[Armenian]

Re: An appeal to the Turkish government and Turks abroad on the Armenian issue

I like your passion on the matter, but get off your high-horse, plz. Unless, you're an "hin tseruk".

Compared to you, I probably am a "hin tseruk."

As far as I am concerned, Persians, as well as a series of other ancient nations, are natives of the Armenian Highlands. Hittites being proto-Armenian has nothing to do with whether or not Persians originated in the Armenian Highlands. Also remember that Armenians are made up of various ancient peoples such as the Phyrigians, Hittites, Hurrians, Urartians, ect. As a matter of fact, Sumerians were most probably proto-Armenians as well. That is, they originated with Anatolia or the Caucasus.

Ok, I'm done. *get's on his white horse and gallops away*