I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look armenian

[Armenian]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Smaller populations cannot absorb larger populations. That is a fallacy.

No freak, you are a fallacy.

The reality is, invading Turks were a minority when they first arrived in the Caucasus and Anatolia. As Byzantine authority got weak, Turks gradually began to assimilated Byzantine society, namely through conversion of native Greek Christians, and to a lesser extent Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Slavs, etc. The Armenian nation was bled dry for centuries, the genetic traffic, however, was essentially one way - going out not coming in.

Our features are likely the result of mixing with our conquerors, enemies, and neighbors. And, as a result, true Armenian features have probably changed over the centuries. You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

Regarding looks, I suggest you go back and look at what classical peoples looked like, hundreds of years before Turks or Arabs appeared in eastern Europe, Anatolia and the Caucasus. Early Europeans, from the Basques to the Etruscans, were mostly olive skinned brunettes. As a matter of fact, some of the biggest and nastiest noses to be seen are upon Roman, Greek and "Aryan" Parthian coins. And regarding language, Iranians use a great deal of Arab and European words. Turks use a great deal of Arabic, Greek, English and Latin words. Besides, what's your point?

You need to get over your twisted obsessions regarding race. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot... You are a racist.

Our genes have not been isolated by geography, ideology or history.

Our genes have been isolated by us being a Christian nation in a sea of Islamic peoples. But we do have some Assyrian mix in us and mixing is increasing to a great deal in our times.

As naive as it may be to say that we are all blonde and blue eyes, it is equally naive to say that our features now are true 'Armenian' features.

What's naive, not to mention stupid, is the strange belief that looks somehow mean anything in reality. As long as an Armenian is a productive citizen, as long as he/she is a decent person, as long as he/she upholds Armenian identity, I don't care what they look like. Besides, some of our biggest names have looked....

Well, here, let me just say it - Armenoid!!!

You know, just like your favorite Armenians - Paruyr Sevak, Aram Khachatrayan, Frunz Dovlatyan, Monte Melkonian, Serj Tankian, etc.

[Celal]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

You can stay, as long as you:

LOL since when did Turkey have to listen to you (probably a nationalist)?

Give back Western Armenia; pay Armenians billions of USD in reparations;

If Turkey didn't give an inch of land to the state "Kurdistan" then why would Turk give a atom of land to create the state "Western Armenia".

convert to Greek or Assyrian Christianity;

HAHAHAHA what will that achieve?

stop talking your gibberish language;

The only person who is speaking gibberish is you.

and stop worshiping your alcoholic/pedophiliac/Joo deity called Ataturk.

Stop loving our national heroe.
HAHAHAHA I dont think so.

So, its your choice. Are you going to say?

I think I speak for all Turks when I say that I'm going to have to "graciously" decline this "offer" of yours. Furthermore may I ask what the hell are you gonna do about it!?

[skhara]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

So I presume you will also agree that since they are a mixture of Anatolian peoples (amongst others) then they have the right to remain in Anatolia and not the eastern side of the Caspian sea?

Well given superhuman powers, I'd have all those calling themselves turks within the region expelled. Besides, what does it matter to you what I think? I don't believe in any such thing as "rights". The existance on this planet is governed by no other law than jungle law, so you have a "right" to stay anywhere you can forcefully make yourself stay for that matter. We don't really have anything to talk about. So long as you call yourself a turk, I could care less what your genetic makeup is. Just by calling yourself turk, I consider you an enemy and as such know everything I need to know about you.

Have a nice day.

[TomServo]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Give back Western Armenia

Or the Armenian Highland. Which in Turkish (and most Western) academia is referred to as "Eastern Anatolia."

This is Asia Minor/Anatolia, anything beyond this is not:


So now we've got Turks who have convinced western academics and themselves that Anatolia is synonymous with Turkey. Check out the pitiful Anatolia article on Wickedpedia.

There's a lot of crap in that article and on Wickedpedia in general, but this takes the cake: Turkish folk etymology breaks down the geographical term into two words, "mother" and "full" Thus, Ana, dolu 'Mother, it is full' or 'Full of mothers.'

Yeah right. More like Ana, bok. Anaboku/Anabaku.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Armenian and Skhara,

How many times has our nation been conquered? Its fair to say that while we have had great triumphs, our destiny has been controlled by other nations and other armies.

Are you stating that in our history, we had more numbers than our immediate neighbors - the Iranians, the Turks. What about the Romans.

And, Armenian, since you don't know me, you have no basis to call me a racist. Nothing about me saying that Armenians have fair features amongst us, is racist. Anyone who knows me knows that I am incredibly inclusive.

But, it is incredibly racist to say that these are not features in our race.

There have been several persons in this thread that have confirmed that their direct relatives who are Armenian are not of the dipped in tea variety.

And, based on your positions, there had to be little or no breeding by Armenians as a result of out of race marriage, out of race sexual relations or just plain out rape.

What did victorious armies do in the past, wipe out the males, children and elders and spread the seed. I think we were likely more often the vessel.

[skhara]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Ughhh. No offence, but I don't have the patience. At least not right now.

[Celal]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Well given superhuman powers, I'd have all those calling themselves turks within the region expelled.

Im sure you would...

Besides, what does it matter to you what I think? I don't believe in any such thing as "rights". The existance on this planet is governed by no other law than jungle law, so you have a "right" to stay anywhere you can forcefully make yourself stay for that matter. We don't really have anything to talk about. So long as you call yourself a turk, I could care less what your genetic makeup is. Just by calling yourself turk, I consider you an enemy and as such know everything I need to know about you.

I responded to your comment because I believe you are trying to go somewhere with it. The thing is what are you trying to say? Firstly you mention that Turks originate from the eastern side of the Caspian sea then you say that most Turks are descendent from Anatolian peoples and others. So what is the point of this statement? It doesn't do much apart from validate the view that all of Anatolia right up to the border of Armenia has always and will always be an integral and inseparable part of Turkey.

Have a nice day.

Hopefully. Shame the weather is crappy where I'm currently at.

[Celal]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Turks gradually began to assimilated Byzantine society, namely through conversion of native Greek Christians,

Wrong.

The majority of people who were assimilated were actually native Anatolian peoples and not ethnically Greek people. By that I mean many Anatolian peoples were Hellenized after Alexander the Greats conquests. The entire Anatolian group of languages within the Indo-European language family was irretrievably lost as many Anatolian peoples converted to Greek Orthodoxy and eventually became assimilated into Greek society.

These Greek speaking Anatolian Christians then converted to Islam after the Turkic conquests of Anatolia.

[TomServo]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Right. Because these native Anatolian ethnic groups don't exist anymore you can discuss how horribly they were treated by the Greeks.

What do you know about irretrievable loss? Just shut the hell(as) up with your Anadolu/Anaboku and go back to playing in the forum arcade.

[Celal]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Right. Because these native Anatolian ethnic groups don't exist anymore you can discuss how horribly they were treated by the Greeks.

What do you know about irretrievable loss? Just shut the hell(as) up with your Anadolu/Anaboku and go back to playing in the forum arcade.

Where did I say they were horribly treated by Greeks?

I believe the term putting words into ones mouth is in order here...