I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look armenian

[Virgil]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

I do not like to see "innocent" posts that imply indirectly division amongst us based on race, ideology, geography. People, get used to the idea that we have been long enough in the Diaspora with a population almost 3 times larger that our present homeland. There are going to be variances in our looks and behaviors. Snap out of it.

Division already exists because of differences in race, ideology, geography, and religion and when you try to make it seem like division is justifiable with false notions of what it means to be "Armenian" by ridiculous statements like "1 molecule of blood means your Armenian", then division will really exist because what you are wishing for goes against the fundamental laws of human nature. To keep it short, you seem to be implying that the "chicken came before the egg", I am implying, if the egg already exists, the chicken will eventually hatch, hope you understand?

[Azad]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Division already exists because of race, ideology, geography, and religion,

Agree that division does and should exist outside the Armenian "union". I still have to see those divisions (exception the ideology) amongst Armenians. You will be surprised how tight and supportive we are amongst ourselves. We might make banal comments towards each others, the reality is we are blood tight bound together for life.

[Virgil]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

You will be surprised how tight and supportive we are amongst ourselves.

Yes, but what you actual feel is different than what you are actually communicating. You are "tight" with one another because you see in your fellow Armenian a reflection of yourself, however, if let us say your fellow Armenian was different racially, ethnically, and/or religiously, trust me, it is very hard to both see yourself in him or her unless there exists a good reason to cooperate (i.e. economic and/or political incentives), thus, the same "cohesiveness" erodes.

Clearly, this idea of "1 percent blood" begs the question, what about the other 99% of the individuals blood? How are you going to ignore that? You can't, you have to accept people for who and what they are, my point is not so much to imply that I don't accept people, obviously, everyone is different, but you have to understand when you are referring to nations, states, and a people, your implications don't work. Logically, if we to consider a people as a set of elements, the conditions of the set does not allow foreign elements to the set into the set, thus, the only way foreign elements exists in a set is if you the conditions of the set are changed to accommodate them. This process of accommodation is one way (note: as in traffic is "one way") essentially, you are "accommodating" these foreign elements and, extrapolating this to a infinite power, you are changing the very conditions that make a person uniquely part of the Armenian people.

In Diaspora, we often try to justify these "changes on our sets" as "necessary", but the reality is that overtime, these changes will lead to the differences that will eventually lead to the destruction of the Diaspora and in the current state of the Armenian people, where the outside of the homeland is "mistaken" for a homeland, this will lead to extinction.

[Azad]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

...the only way foreign elements exists in a set is if you the conditions of the set are changed to accommodate them. This process of accommodation is one way (note: as in traffic is "one way") essentially, you are "accommodating" these foreign elements and, extrapolating this to a infinite power, you are changing the very conditions that make a person uniquely part of the Armenian people.

Correct me if I am wrong. Yet you live in a country that is not yours and do expect your host country to "accommodate" you?

In Diaspora, we often try to justify these "changes on our sets" as "necessary", but the reality is that overtime, these changes will lead to the differences that will eventually lead to the destruction of the Diaspora and in the current state of the Armenian people, where the outside of the homeland is "mistaken" for a homeland, this will lead to extinction.

I agree with you. What is your solution and why aren't we all returning to present Armenia? We all are nationalists and not all of us realists.

[Azad]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

let us say your fellow Armenian was different racially, ethnically, and/or religiously, trust me, it is very hard to both see yourself in him or her unless there exists a good reason to cooperate (i.e. economic and/or political incentives), thus, the same "cohesiveness" erodes.

Virgil, changes are constant. As long the flow in done gradually you can keep the Armenian identity and grow it outwards instead of the self imploding. Were the none Christian Armenians pre Christianity less Armenians? Can we bring in the Islamized Armenians from turkey and reprogram them to the present Armenian majority's behavior? Will we let healthy half Armenians into Armenia to be productive citizens?

[Virgil]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Correct me if I am wrong. Yet you live in a country that is not yours and do expect your host country to "accommodate" you?

You are taking my point of context, you said, "1 drop of Armenian blood makes you Armenian", in which, I am assuming you are talking about the Diaspora, hence, if you are talking about the Diaspora, I am only making it a point to remind you that if indeed there exists 1% of blood that is Armenian, there also exists 99% of non-Armenian blood that you are failing to account for in your statement.

Furthermore, clearly, I am not making such statements as "1% Armenian blood makes you Armenian", you are. What your statement implies is that what makes you as a individual different is secondary because there exists a magic on and off button inside of a every individual that can turn you into Armenian one day and turn you into non-Armenian the next. Instead, I am confronting the realities of the situation I find myself in and thus, am making a rational and well thought out decision knowing full well what the consequences are versus changing what fundamentally makes me different in order to pretend I am not "assimilating" when the very fact of me "changing what fundamentally makes me different" can indeed be defined as a "assimilation" and change (Thus, the egg exists, the chicken will hatch).

I agree with you. What is your solution and why aren't we all returning to present Armenia? We all are nationalists and not all of us realists.

My solution is in what I write, but to be honest, there is indeed no solution, just decisions that should be made, but then the decisions become less complex if certain realities are accepted. I will give you a example, you ask, "why aren't we all returning to present Armenia" and I am telling you because you can't, clearly, there exists commitments to yourself or others that makes this journey a life changing one that the majority of Armenians will not take. However, even though the obvious answer is self evident some members in the Diaspora still promote emigration by establishing schools and communities that insulate Armenian communities outside homeland, thus, convincing individual that would normally stay within the homeland to emigrate, it is a vicious cycle.

[Virgil]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Virgil, changes are constant. As long the flow in done gradually you can keep the Armenian identity and grow it outwards instead of the self imploding. Were the none Christian Armenians pre Christianity less Armenians? Can we bring in the Islamized Armenians from turkey and reprogram them to the present Armenian majority's behavior? Will we let healthy half Armenians into Armenia to be productive citizens?

Azad, you are taking my comments out of the context they are presented. Comparing the development of the Armenian nation in antiquity is clearly much different then the development of the Armenian nation in modern times. I am telling you that the development of the Armenian nation is stagnating because you precisely have individuals like yourself promoting these kind of changes that, essentially, is like a machine. Consider this example, you have a machine, call it Diaspora, Armenian xyz from Armenia goes into Diaspora and comes out "Diaspora xyz". Now, imagine that this machine is constantly finely tuning itself in order to accommodate for changes that "Diaspora xyz" will confront once out of machine, thus, over a period of time Diaspora xyz will be vastly different then Armenian xyz.

[NightOwl]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

I dont mean to bud in, but seriously 1% blood does not make you armenian. I have people in my family who married non armenians and had kids--their kids dont even care about being armenian. Their raised with all non armenians so why would they want to be armenian when they can identify with their half non armeian side more acceptable side?
I dont consider them armenian.



Im just very dissapointed with the Armenian commnuity in LA, honeslty im afraid to go to Armenia, if the armenians in LA are so nasty to me, God knows what will happen in Armenia.

[Azad]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Consider this example, you have a machine, call it Diaspora, Armenian xyz from Armenia goes into Diaspora and comes out "Diaspora xyz". Now, imagine that this machine is constantly finely tuning itself in order to accommodate for changes that "Diaspora xyz" will confront once out of machine, thus, over a period of time Diaspora xyz will be vastly different then Armenian xyz.

I considered all equation. Who are the people that are benefiting from our 100% to 1% Armenians assets? It definitely is not the country of Armenia. I don't remember hearing anything from the Russians when Mikoyan or the millions of other Armenians did and are still advancing the Russian society. Did the Russians became less Russians? No. That applies to many societies today. A selective gradual admittance of certain people that are willing to be Armenians should not be discouraged ... we are NOT a defined pure genetic country club.

[Armanen]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

we are NOT a defined pure genetic country club

You could say that about any nation, but Armenia is one of the world's most homogeneous nations, which is very good- Armenians don't need to be intermixing with non Armenians, especially non Indo-Europeans.

Russians when Mikoyan or the millions of other Armenians did and are still advancing the Russian society.

They also advanced life for Armenia, and provided a good rep. to Russians of what an Armenian is.