Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Obama is no jfk, but i hope his healthcare plan falls through, its way better then the crap we got now.

[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

MSNBC Hosts: Rep. Joe Wilson A White Southern Racist : http://newsbusters.org:80/blogs/kyle...outhern-racist

I hope President Obama will succeed in his social and economical programms sothat he can have a second presidential term. Once he is reelected, he will work on these 3 major problems as he thinks :
- Israel/Palestine
- Iran
- Armenian Genocide which is linked to these two ones.

If good relations with Arab countries and Iran are settled, Turkey will count (very much) less.

I pray President Obama will succeed and he will ! ...if they it does not happen as it happenned with JFK.

Nil (Paris).
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Forty Acres and One Mule ? This was the "reparation" to be granted to the new American citizens having been victim of US Slavery. This was not to be granted to the Africans or to the African States.

So today, any protocole between Turkey and Armenia does not regard the 1915 Armenian Genocide. It regards diplomatic, economic relations, good neighberhood, etc, etc... but it can not regard anything to do with 1915 AG. All the more, there is the historical fact that we are the descendents of the survivors of Western Armenians who were subjects of the Ottoman Empire. Eastern Armenia had never been under Ottoman Rule. It had been in the Soviet Union, in the Russian Empire and at the beginning in the Persian Empire for more than 3 centuries.

So if any American journalists or politicians say that, sure, Armenians of Diaspora should be happy with this recent "successfull" protocole between Armenia and Turkey, you can give this exemple of another crime against Humanity. Do you think they will understand ? Without being rude (let them mind their own business), at least they will not be Mr-Know-All.

Meanwhile, we in the diaspora have no time to loose. We have to work to get more and more new allies. The African American community is one of them : http://www.anca.org/press_releases/p...t.php?prid=678

Nil Agopoff (Paris)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0en/cblacks_armenians/0home_c.htm

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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Belgium had Congo Colony. It was the personnal property of King Leopold II, a very dark person who behaved crually with the Africans for GREED (the industrial booming caoutchouc demand from rubber trees):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Leopold%27s_Ghost

Here is his Letter to Colonial Missionaries, 1883 : http://www.fafich.ufmg.br/~luarnaut/...ssionaries.pdf

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?doc...98088790358593 >> in English ?

This forced labour in Congo was contemporary with Hamidian Massacres :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/19_sultanhamid.htm

I have found two Belgian historical personalities who protested samewise against Turkish and Belgian atrocities :

- Émile Vandervelde (1866-1938) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Vandervelde
- Georges LORAND (1860-1918) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lorand

Please ask some questions to your African Friends and to specialists of African Studies (written 8-9 years ago): http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...tie/blacks.htm

To follow. Nil (Paris) http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
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Punch 1905. Expert Opinion. Leopold : "Silly fuss they're making about these so-called atrocities in my Congo property". Abdul : "Only talk my dear boy. They won't do anaything. They never touched me !

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/ainconscient/3structures_genocidaires/africanite6.htm

Nil
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

New page : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...e/8_gospel.htm

Please remember my request when you hear of any Armenian American Opera Singers who have done performances with gospels. Thank you.

Take care. Nil.
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Here in France we an Armenian Opera singer who sings Gospel. With her sister who is also an Opera singer specialized in Armenian religious songs, they performed together mixing both religious songs.

I unfortunately have not the chance to go these performances, they live south of France. I do not know how in musical harmony and sensibility this is successfull. There is here a risky artistic adventure. But the idea is very-very good. We have to develop this idea.

>>> Do you know any Armenian American Opera Singers who have done such performances ?

Please help me. I am preparing a new web page on this subject.

Together, we must prepare a future visit of Catholicos Aram I or Karekine II paying respect to Martin Luther King in Atlanta.

You'll see, one day, an Oecumenical mass with the Armenians will be consecrated in the big church of M.L.K.Center of Atlanta :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0en/cblacks_armenians/mlk_armenians.htm

Nil (Paris)
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http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/4diaspora/3mondial/monde_usa_blacks.htm

[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

There is an article in the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Armenia website : "The ‘Odious Scourge’: Evolving Interpretations of the Crime of Genocide" by William A. Schabas, Irish Professor of Human Rights Law, National University of Ireland, Galway and Director, Irish Centre for Human Rights.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=William%20A.%20Schabas&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

This article is the speech of that professor at the International Conference in Yerevan, Armenia, 20-21 April 2005 : ‘Ultimate Crime, Ultimate Challenge, Human Rights and Genocide’ - Organized by The National Commission for the Commemoration of the 90th Anniverary of the Armenian Genocide.

At the bottom of the first page, at the foot notes, we can read :

This initial use of the term ‘crimes against humanity’ was noted in some of the first judgments of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (Prosecutor v. Tadic (Case No. IT-94-1-T), Opinion and Judgment, 7 May 1997, para. 618, fn. 87) and the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (Prosecutor v. Akayesu (Case No. ICTR-96-4-T), Judgment, 2 September 1998, para. 29).

The concept of crimes against humanity, however, had been in existence long before 1915. During debates in the National Assembly, French revolutionary Robespierre described the King, Louis XVI, as a ‘[c]riminal against humanity’: Maximilien Robespierre, OEuvres, IX, Paris: Presses universitaires de France, 1952, p. 130.

In 1890, an American observer, GEORGES WASHNGTON WILLIAMS, wrote to the United States Secretary of State that King Leopold’s regime in Congo was responsible for ‘crimes against humanity’: Adam Hochschild, King Leopold’s Ghost, Boston & New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1998, p. 112.

Best regards from Paris. Nil.
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

The African-American, George Washington Williams coined the phrase, “crimes against humanity,” in his, “An Open Letter to His Serene Majesty Léopold II, King of the Belgians and Sovereign of the Independent State of Congo),” dated July 18, 1890, from Boyoma, formerly known as Stanley Falls, in what is present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The ʻOpen Letter,” was addressed to King Leopold II of Belgium and the Secretary of State of the United States of Americaa. It was published and widely discussed in Europe and the United States; in it, Mr. Williams declared that Leopold II of Belgium was guilty of, “crimes against humanity.”

Please note that Mr. Williams coined the phrase about 25 years before, May 24, 1915, when the Allied Powers of World War I, i.e., Britain, France, and Russia, jointly issued a statement explicitly accusing another government of committing “a crime against humanity”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Williams

http://books.google.com/books?q=George+Washington+Williams+&btnG=Search+Books

http://images.google.com/images?q=George%20Washington%20Williams&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Nil Agopoff (Paris, France)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0en/cblacks_armenians/0home_c.htm

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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Belgium had Congo Colony. It was the personnal property of King Leopold II, a very dark person who behaved crually with the Africans for GREED (the industrial booming caoutchouc demand from rubber trees):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Leopold%27s_Ghost

Here is his Letter to Colonial Missionaries, 1883 : http://www.fafich.ufmg.br/~luarnaut/...ssionaries.pdf

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?doc...98088790358593 >> in English ?

This forced labour in Congo was contemporary with Hamidian Massacres :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/19_sultanhamid.htm

I have found two Belgian historical personalities who protested samewise against Turkish and Belgian atrocities :

- Émile Vandervelde (1866-1938) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Vandervelde
- Georges LORAND (1860-1918) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lorand

Please ask some questions to your African Friends and to specialists of African Studies (written 8-9 years ago): http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...tie/blacks.htm

To follow. Nil (Paris) http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Here are some links on Ottoman Slavery of Captured Africans :

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/029597642X/103-3208005-1036617?v=glance

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=35405102

http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0004-6;didno=livn0004-6;view=image;seq=0362;node=livn0004-6%3A14

http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=putn;cc=putn;rgn=full%20text;idno=putn0005-6;didno=putn0005-6;view=image;seq=0623;node=putn0005-6%3A7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_(Ottoman_Empire)

Please inform your African American friends and neighbours.

Nil (Paris)
http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en >> http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...s/esclaves.htm
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