Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

-1/ Enjoying being compared with slaves?
-2/ Armenians never were slaves.
-3/This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

-4/ Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle.

-1/ It is interesting to notice how this racist guy reduces President Obama to a slave, just because he has African blood. And how he annihilates 144 years of American history since 1865 (abolition of slavery by President Lincoln)

- 2/ Armenians were never slaves ? What is a slave ? A slave is a free person who has been captured and then a victim of an important system of alienation. There must be web pages about revolts of slaves against this system. I know for French West Indies.

- 3/ I think this Mukuch guy is an offence to the AG.

- 4/ Turks considered Armenians (and the other christian indegenous peoples) as cattle. Indeed, unfortunatly Turks behaved with us as we were cattle. Let me remind the Blood Tax of Devshirmeh :

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/16_devchirme.htm

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/16_devchirme_bibliographie.htm

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=14914

This Mukuch guy just has a touch of Armenian Culture and thus he behaves like this. In Europe, at least we have a historical experience more important than in the USA. How did these racist guys behave with particular circumstances in Europe ? In the Soviet Union, they became KGB members and in occupied France by Germany, they collaborated with the nazis.

Was not this Mukuch guy banned from HyeClub Forum ? ...because of his utmost racist (disgusting and revolting) messages, now deleted in this thread : http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=17562

Nil (Paris)
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[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Well, I'm not quite sure they are trying to make a direct comparison between the Armenian Genocide and African-American slavery. They are drawing parallels how both races were oppressed in their respective countries and the long term psychological effect is has had to their race and humanity in general. Just as Armenians cannot be people with self determination while under the rule of other powers, the African-Americans in the same sense have no power to determine their own future.

If there was ever a movement so strong that African-Americans united and demanded their own state, which they, and only they have rule over what kind of impact would that have to the United States? Don't the descendants whose ancestors slaved in fields and factories to make America the wealthy and powerful country it is today deserve to be compensated for with land and reparations for centuries of unjust treatment?

However that issue has nothing in common with AG recognition, I would rather do not make any parallels.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Let me disagree with you. Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle. That why we fought back. And what we do is exactly trying to prove to the world that we were not and we are not cattle. Comparing AG with slavery is proving exactly the contrary.

Well, I'm not quite sure they are trying to make a direct comparison between the Armenian Genocide and African-American slavery. They are drawing parallels how both races were oppressed in their respective countries and the long term psychological effect is has had to their race and humanity in general. Just as Armenians cannot be people with self determination while under the rule of other powers, the African-Americans in the same sense have no power to determine their own future.

If there was ever a movement so strong that African-Americans united and demanded their own state, which they, and only they have rule over what kind of impact would that have to the United States? Don't the descendants whose ancestors slaved in fields and factories to make America the wealthy and powerful country it is today deserve to be compensated for with land and reparations for centuries of unjust treatment?

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Of the 1.5 million who died, the majority were cattle who did not know how to fight. If you don't know how to fight, you are cattle, it doesn't matter where you live, what race you are or what sense of "moral honour" you extract from your religion.

If Antranik could only muster 200,000 Armenians out of the 2 million (10% of our pop in Turkey at the time) to fight back, there would have been no genocide, and there would not have been a Turkey today as we know it. Instead, he only had 6,000 Fedayeen, and so, we lost. Then, the Turks inflated this small number into the 200,000 men we should've had, the 200,000 men who would've utterly meant a death sentence to Pan-Turkism right then and there, way before 1918.

We Armenians haven't changed so much since then, as only a minority of us realize this situation and know what must be done to protect our race effectively from future annihilation.

It is sad, but I must agree...

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Let me disagree with you. Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle. That why we fought back. And what we do is exactly trying to prove to the world that we were not and we are not cattle. Comparing AG with slavery is proving exactly the contrary.

Of the 1.5 million who died, the majority were cattle who did not know how to fight. If you don't know how to fight, you are cattle, it doesn't matter where you live, what race you are or what sense of "moral honour" you extract from your religion.

If Antranik (one of the few of our leaders then who wasn't deluded by the brand of political secterianism and rivalry that made our resistence and diplomatic correspondence to Europe horribly ineffective) could only muster 200,000 Armenians out of the 2 million (10% of our pop in Turkey at the time) to fight back, there would have been no genocide, and there would not have been a Turkey today as we know it. Instead, he only had 6,000 Fedayeen, and so, Turkish Armenia was utterly annihilated. Then, the Turks inflated this small number into the 200,000 men we should've had, the 200,000 men who would've utterly meant a death sentence to Pan-Turkism right then and there, way before 1918.

We Armenians haven't changed so much since then, as only a minority of us realize this situation and know what must be done to protect our race effectively from future annihilation.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Racism is inherent to man, but your racism doesn't change the fact that historically, we've been lower than "niggers", we were ottoman raya (cattle) that went to the slaughterhouse. It is better to be prepared for war so that we may never be (raya) again. Insulting blacks doesn't raise our integrity, nor our power.

Let me disagree with you. Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle. That why we fought back. And what we do is exactly trying to prove to the world that we were not and we are not cattle. Comparing AG with slavery is proving exactly the contrary.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

Racism is inherent to man, but your racism doesn't change the fact that historically, we've been lower than "niggers", we were ottoman raya (cattle) that went to the slaughterhouse. It is better to be prepared for war so that we may never be (raya) again. Insulting blacks doesn't raise our integrity, nor our power.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

Muk your racism discusts me and other forum members so please try to keep it to yourself. Man i hope this guy is fixed.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

He's no JFK but he's almost like a hybrid of JFK/MLK so I think what CRDA-France meant was "if something tragic doesn't happen to him".