armenian genocide

[One-Way]

Re: armenian genocide

Please stick to the topic.

[crusader1492]

Re: armenian genocide

lets say that turkey accepts the armenian genocide tomorrow
what do you think should happen next?
what do you want to happen next?

Back to the topic...

Listen Jerry, this is an obtuse question, especially because it comes from you - a brand new member whom we know nothing about. Moreover, answering questions like yours would be an exercise in mental masterbation since denial and lies are the foundation of the Turkish state. In short, Turkey will never come to tems with its sordid history and admit their responsability for the Genocide.

Why don't you do a little research on your own and come up with what you think would be a just "what's next" before you ask such a bold question.
There are already precedents out there, such as Germany's reparations to the xxxs.

Get back to us Jerry. Let us know what you came up with.

[jerry]

Re: armenian genocide

well after a quick search i found out only monetray reparations

"West Germany was to pay Israel for the slave labor and persecution of xxxs during the Holocaust, and to compensate for xxxish property that was stolen by the Nazis."

says wikipedia

coming to my question every big nation even big companies has 20 50 even 100 years of future scenarios on different subjects so i wondered if you had any plans for that

but if you dont want any plan for the future and dont want to do "mental masterbation" you are welcome and the admins can just delete my post

or maybe i shuld just copy paste in quotes on various posts add a smiley or make a racist joke to get my number of posts high so maybe later you can take me seriously

[Anonymouse]

Re: armenian genocide

well after a quick search i found out only monetray reparations
says wikipedia

coming to my question every big nation even big companies has 20 50 even 100 years of future scenarios on different subjects so i wondered if you had any plans for that

but if you dont want any plan for the future and dont want to do "mental masterbation" you are welcome and the admins can just delete my post

or maybe i shuld just copy paste in quotes on various posts add a smiley or make a racist joke to get my number of posts high so maybe later you can take me seriously

Jerry, the truth is, there is uncertainty about that. Let's go through the options.

(1) Reparations:

This seems the most feasible in terms of money and property stolen and lives taken. Things we can never get back. This would be the most legitimate relief that one could get for the destruction of their property and lives.

(2) Lands:

This is unworkable. History is not stagnant. As much as I hate to admit this to other Armenians, all history comes down to force and numbers. There have heretofore been only two ways in which civilizations have lost or acquired lands and empires. One, through war and seizing of property. Two, through growth by numbers. Armenians have neither, thereby cannot obtain any land. This is unworkable.

Therefore, in conclusion, the only legitimate response is reparations to the surviving members of Western Armenians who have been displaced and had their livelihoods shattered as a result of Turkish actions.

Does that clear it up for you a little bit?

[jerry]

Re: armenian genocide

Does that clear it up for you a little bit?

of course it does
this kind of post is exactly what i wanted to discuss in the first place

[Armanen]

Re: armenian genocide

Reparation to Armenia as well, since the vast majority of Armenian citizens had at least one or more grandparents who are either Genocide survivors or the children of Genocide survivors.

[Hye_Psycho]

Re: armenian genocide

(2) Lands:

This is unworkable. History is not stagnant. As much as I hate to admit this to other Armenians, all history comes down to force and numbers. There have heretofore been only two ways in which civilizations have lost or acquired lands and empires. One, through war and seizing of property. Two, through growth by numbers. Armenians have neither, thereby cannot obtain any land. This is unworkable.

i believe an investigation into The Treaty of Sèvres may shed greater light upon this issue. i havnt personally had the time to look into this, but i have read (through other members (hellektor)) that there is sufficiant grounds *under international law* to take legal action against Turkey. in Turkey itself this is called the "sevres syndrome" and does in fact weigh heavily in turkish foreighn policy.

having said that..
"international law" ...

[crusader1492]

Re: armenian genocide

well after a quick search i found out only monetray reparations
says wikipedia

coming to my question every big nation even big companies has 20 50 even 100 years of future scenarios on different subjects so i wondered if you had any plans for that

but if you dont want any plan for the future and dont want to do "mental masterbation" you are welcome and the admins can just delete my post

or maybe i shuld just copy paste in quotes on various posts add a smiley or make a racist joke to get my number of posts high so maybe later you can take me seriously

There is that word they love to use so much. Guess what nationality "jerry" may be

[Mos]

Re: armenian genocide

Genocide issue is becoming less important for Armenian Government as we are improving ties with Turkey

[TomServo]

Re: armenian genocide

IF YOU WULD OF BOUGHT SOME WINTER CLOTHES YOU WOULD OF BEEN FINE BUT NO YOU WANTED THE TURKS TO PROVIDE IT DIDNT YOU U xxxxS.