Wake up everybody!

[TurQ]

And saying Turkish people know nothing about Armenian issue is a great lie. People have their own experiences. If you claim that Turkish people know nothing because of Turkish education system, that'll contradiuct what you claim too. What we are talking about is the events that have effected Turks/Kurds/Cherkez in Eastern Anatolia and Caucusia and Armenians from Izmit To Kars. While these events happened everybody had their own experience and interpretation. You learned what had happened to your ancestors from your own education system? No, your family told you what had happened. Just allow us to learn something from our own families.

Please just be a little bit humble and stop saying "I know everything about Turks and Turkey"

As far as Katliam/Massacre thing concerned the Turkish state uses that term. What Turkish and Armenian official claims differ is the number of death and wording of these events.

I personally am not into wording. I have read memoirs of survivors, I know what Turks and Kurds suffered from my own family and friends. Please allow me to have my own opinion. Again I am not into the wording and which word is used or not. Killing one innocent is to kill all humanity thats enough for me

Suckers are everywhere just like us
there are number of them that agree to a Katliam (Massacres) on a large scale some wont do it publicly for obvious reasons
They don't want their names taken down by the Turkish consulate and otherse...

[Gavur]

Turq--Please just be a little bit humble and stop saying "I know everything about Turks and Turkey"

I know all i need to know

Turq--I personally am not into wording. I have read memoirs of survivors, I know what Turks and Kurds suffered from my own family and friends. Please allow me to have my own opinion. Again I am not into the wording and which word is used or not. Killing one innocent is to kill all humanity thats enough for me

Tell that to your goverment !
They wont let you talk about this stuff (whether its Turk,Kurt or armenian massacres)
all we can do is put pressure from outside its up to you to demand freedom of speech and thinking in Turkey.

[Gavur]

And you know I always encouraged Turks to talk about atrocities their grandparents suffered .This is one place you can ,cyberworld
unlike Turkey.

[imported_Fadix]

But first the Armenians need to withdraw from Nagorno-Karabagh and the surrounding areas. Armenia must also allow the 800,000 Azeri's (Now grown to roughly 1,000,000) back into Armenia and Nagorno-Karabagh.

PS. No one can force Turkey to do anything like recognision of genocide. Its not as if Turkeys going to be sanctioned or isolated. Only an dillusional Armenian would even think like that.

Einstein, the total number of Azeris refugees can hardly exceed 750 thousands. Second of all, most of them wre not from Nagorno Karabakh or Armenia, but the area serounding Nagorno Karabakh, which Armenia already repeated various times will be given back, if Karabakh is left alone. Also, this war also left 350 thousand Armenians refugee, which per population, equal or is over the ratio refugees.

BTW, when will the Turkish forces leave Chyprus? Double standard? When will the Greek refugees allowed back?

[imported_Fadix]

The figure of casulties has always been the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_casualties

I think I can answer for him.

We sit here our whole lifetime arguing about who killed who or whether the events be described as Genocide or not? Or even about the details of the events?

But where does that get us? No where the Armenians are uncompromising on their 'stories' even though the estimates of the dead can have risen over the 90 years. Let me guess in 20 years time the Armenians are going to claim "3,000,000" Armenians were killed in 1915. Then raise the numbers of the dead from the Adana incidents back in 1909 to 1,000,000 then raise the death toll of the Hamidan massacres to 2,000,000. Oh what a coinsidence that is equal to the number of Jews that perished under Hitler.

The Turks in the Diaspora are getting fed up of the Armenians in Diaspora. Just count yourselves lucky most of you dont live in New Turkey, oops I mean Europe, I meant Europe. Its just a shame that there aren't many Turks on your half of the world.

[Kharpert]

Then raise the numbers of the dead from the Adana incidents back in 1909 to 1,000,000 then raise the death toll of the Hamidan massacres to 2,000,000. Oh what a coinsidence that is equal to the number of Jews that perished under Hitler.

Incorrect. 6,000,000 Jews perished as a result of the holocaust. 11,000,000 total perished as a result of the holocaust.

[TurQ]

Gavur

Turkey is changing, it is not exactly the same country that was 10 years ago. This change is both in good and bad directions. Everytime I go to my country I see drastic changes. Freedom of speech is one of them. You have to admit that what you know about Turkey is obsolete. The main problem for my country is the education system. Unfortunetly it deprives us to have the critical thinking and creativity, it is not the freedom of speech or else. This is the *black side of our kettle*.e Most of the diasporan Armenians live in western countries, where freedom of speech is encouraged. DO you think Armenians utlized this to critize their own community and history? This freedom of speech gave them a free mind? Me and my friends had contacted diasporan Armenians several times. I have to admit I had met suprisingly interesting Armenians they are mosly are not political oriented. But I also have seen the other types. I have seen how they can get too narrow minded. Speaking or having a Turkish friend is sin for those, betrayal to their ancestors/history. These people are living in countries that have freedom of speech. Gavur I know, you can find *rational* reasons for their behavours. Anyways I leave it to you to you to see your kettle's black side.
You have lots of pre-assumptions about Turks and Turkey. This is why I say be humble about what you know regarding Turkish society today. You are a religous christian, you know very well about importance of humbleness.

Turq--Please just be a little bit humble and stop saying "I know everything about Turks and Turkey"

I know all i need to know

Turq--I personally am not into wording. I have read memoirs of survivors, I know what Turks and Kurds suffered from my own family and friends. Please allow me to have my own opinion. Again I am not into the wording and which word is used or not. Killing one innocent is to kill all humanity thats enough for me

Tell that to your goverment !
They wont let you talk about this stuff (whether its Turk,Kurt or armenian massacres)
all we can do is put pressure from outside its up to you to demand freedom of speech and thinking in Turkey.

[Gavur]

You ask a valid question
It's very healthy for any community to deal with the "Blackness of their Kettle"
I understand your line of reasoning,But
What does this have to do with The Massacres of the Armenian community in Turkey?

You my friends don't need a peacemaker
I think you need a lawyer
the way your always turning the questions around and trying to make us wear your clothes.
God help you.

[maral_m79]

His answer not yours

I think I can answer for him.

If I wanted your answer, I would've asked you that question.

I'm still waiting for "Neutral Turk" to answer....

One word.... YES or NO !

[maral_m79]

But where does that get us? No where the Armenians are uncompromising on their 'stories' even though the estimates of the dead can have risen over the 90 years. Let me guess in 20 years time the Armenians are going to claim "3,000,000" Armenians were killed in 1915. Then raise the numbers of the dead from the Adana incidents back in 1909 to 1,000,000 then raise the death toll of the Hamidan massacres to 2,000,000. Oh what a coinsidence that is equal to the number of Jews that perished under Hitler.
.

The numbers NEVER been changed .... It seems that you have some "projection complex" , you think that we'll do what you are doing all these years.... Maybe your guys have been telling you different numbers, increasing the Muslim casualties, and decreasing the Armenians populations and casualties, not knowing that by doing this they are creating a huge contradiction to their OWN thesis...

The Turks in the Diaspora

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Just count yourselves lucky most of you dont live in New Turkey, oops I mean Europe, I meant Europe.

We do, we thank God that we don't live under the rule of Genocidal Turkey ANYMORE.

And it seems that you have no idea about the distribution of the Armenian Diaspora, there Are MORE Armeians in this side of the world (Europ, Asia), than in the Other side of the world (America)