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    Turkish Grey Wolves target 'Chinese'
    By Aykan Erdemir and Merve Tahiroglu
    July 30, 2015

    [Aykan Erdemir is a former member of the Turkish parliament and a
    nonresident fellow at Foundation for Defense of Democracies, where
    Merve Tahiroglu is a research associate.]

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's visit Wednesday with Chinese
    President Xi Jinping in Beijing came at an awkward time.

    So far this month, Turkish ultranationalists have attacked two Chinese
    restaurants in Istanbul, assaulted Koreans (whom they mistook for
    Chinese) at an iconic palace and tried to break into the Chinese
    embassy in Ankara. The perpetrators claim to be avenging China's
    alleged prohibition of Ramadan fasting among its Turkic-speaking
    Uighur Muslims. The attacks have not only strained Turco-Sino
    relations, but also threaten to devolve into a new phase of violence
    against Turkey's religious and ethnic minorities.

    The violence comes on the heels of an unexpected political opportunity
    for Turkey's nationalists. The Islamist-rooted Justice and Development
    Party (AKP) is seeking a coalition partner for the next government,
    and the main far-right party--which came in third in last month's
    parliamentary elections--stands a real chance to join a Turkish
    government for the first time in over a decade.

    The attacks came after days of campaigning by ultranationalist groups
    against China. Since the beginning of Ramadan, Turkish pro-government
    newspapers have spread various allegations--with varying degrees of
    truth behind them--about China's mistreatment of Uighurs.

    "Communist China forces fasting Uighurs to drink alcohol!" screamed
    one headline in a radical Islamist paper.

    Prayer vigils and symbolic demonstrations followed throughout the
    country--one even involved leaving a bloodied doll on a table at a
    Chinese restaurant. The instigators of the attacks are reportedly from
    the radical youth wings of the two major ultranationalist parties: the
    Nationalist Movement Party (MHP)'s neo-fascist "Grey Wolves" and a
    similar group run by the rival Great Union Party (BBP). In an
    apparently coordinated campaign, both of the groups hung banners last
    week reading, "We miss the smell of Chinese blood"--lyrics from a
    battle hymn by an ultranationalist singer.

    Their solidarity with the distant Uighurs may seem odd, but many
    Turkish ultranationalists view the Turkic-speaking peoples of Central
    Asia--the region from which the nomads who would settle Anatolia
    originally came--as their brethren. Pan-Turkic ideology originated in
    the 19th century but flourished in the 1940s and 50s in the wake of
    trending historical novels, which glorified the Turkic tribes as
    warriors while portraying the Chinese as their implacable archenemies.
    The novels of Nihal Atsiz, one of the founding fathers of pan-Turkic
    ideology, are still listed as recommended reading by MHP's youth wing.

    With chants of "Allahu Akbar" accompanying almost all of the attacks,
    it is unclear whether the violence was motivated by ultranationalist
    or radical Islamist feelings--or both. While pan-Turkic nationalism
    began as a secular movement, it has increasingly incorporated Islam
    and Islamism--particularly since the 1970s. During the polarization of
    the Cold War, ultranationalists calling themselves Ulkucu
    ("Idealists") sought to draw religious conservatives to their movement
    against the radical left. They spread the message of the
    "Turkish-Islamic Ideal"--the idea that Turks had elevated Islam (and
    virtually everything else they touched) to its noblest form.

    In the political arena, ultranationalists and Islamists became
    coalition partners in two so-called "Nationalist Front" governments in
    1975 and 1977. That period saw exceptional political violence, with
    daily gang fights between the radical left and far-right factions that
    took more than 4,500 lives. The Grey Wolves were the dominant force
    among the far right, attacking not only leftists but also
    Alevis--adherents of an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam who make up between
    10 and 15 percent of Turkey's population. One of the most notorious
    massacres occurred in 1978, when a mob of ultranationalists killed at
    least 111 in the southern city of Kahramanmaras, most of them Alevi.
    The perpetrators placed the burnt and mutilated bodies of their
    victims, which included pregnant women and children, on sticks for
    display. The violence ended only in 1980, when the military intervened
    in a coup d'etat.

    [Photo: Hundreds of Turkish Nationalist Party (CHP) members, also
    known as the "Grey Wolves" shout anti-Italian, and anti-PKK slogans in
    front of the Italian Consulate in down-town Istanbul, November 18,

    In the following decades, some ultranationalist factions became too
    Islamized for the movement to stay intact. In 1993, Islamist
    nationalists formally split from the MHP--then, as now, Turkey's main
    ultranationalist movement--and launched the more religiously extreme
    BBP. Today, the rivalry between the two parties extends to their youth
    wings, with each vying to outdo the other in its commitment to radical

    Despite the formal split, boundaries remain permeable between Turkey's
    ultranationalists and Islamists because of shared
    religious-conservative values. After the 1980 coup shut down the
    parties that made up the Nationalist Front government, their newer
    iterations once again formed a political alliance in 1991 and entered
    that year's election on a joint ticket. And while coalition
    negotiations have only just begun, the AKP's socially conservative
    voter base is most compatible with that of the MHP--making a
    partnership between the two among the likeliest coalition scenarios.

    Such a coalition could lead to a third Nationalist Front-style
    government, and a return to the intolerant atmosphere of the 1970s.
    While the right-left polarization of the Cold War era has softened,
    ethnic and religious minorities remain a compelling target for
    ultranationalists and Islamist radicals. To many ultranationalists,
    perceived concessions in the Kurdish peace process and a record number
    of Kurds and Alevis elected to parliament last month are all affronts
    to the nation which must be remedied by whatever means necessary.

    Turkey--rarely a haven of intercommunal bliss--is now witnessing an
    alarming rise in xenophobia. Last September ultranationalists lynched
    a 20-year-old man in Antalya for speaking Kurdish, and two months
    later BBP's youth wing tried to march to Istanbul's main synagogue
    holding a banner threatening to "besiege your temples." In recent
    months, the doors of Alevi homes across the country have been
    ominously marked with red X's. During the visit of a world-renowned
    Armenian pianist to the city of Kars last month, the local Grey Wolves
    leader wondered aloud whether his followers should "go on an Armenian
    hunt." With ultranationalists thus emboldened, a return to the
    violence of the 1970s is distinctly possible.

    Remarks by the MHP chairman last week inspire little optimism that
    cooler heads will prevail. "What is the difference between a Korean
    and a Chinese?" he said when asked about the attacks on Koreans. "Does
    it matter? They both have slanted eyes."
    Hayastan or Bust.


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      13:25, 14.08.2015

      An attack took place on Thursday night at Camp Armen Armenian orphanage
      in Istanbul, Turkey, reported Agos Armenian bilingual weekly of

      Accordingly, unidentified persons attacked and beat two of the
      "watchmen," on the hundredth day of keeping watch against the
      demolition of the orphanage.

      The Nor Zartonk movement of Istanbul Armenians, and which is keeping
      this watch in the area, released a statement regarding this attack.

      "After the harassment continued for days, a fascist attack has
      occurred on 13.08.2015 at around 11:30pm," the statement reads. "The
      individuals, who came to the door of Camp Armen with two vehicles,
      have attacked with sticks our comrades standing guard. The attack was
      disposed of, [but] in the meantime, two of our friends were beaten."

      Nor Zartonk added, however, that this incident cannot break their
      resolve, and they will continue their struggle with the same

      Camp Armen Armenian orphanage was confiscated by the Turkish
      authorities back in 1987. Subsequently, it was sold to a Turkish
      businessman who, in turn, decided to demolish the orphanage and build
      luxury homes in the premises. As a result of public pressure, however,
      the demolition of the orphanage has been temporarily halted.

      The camp was once home to around 1,500 Armenian children, including
      the late Hrant Dink--the founder and chief editor of Agos Armenian
      bilingual weekly of Istanbul, and who was shot dead on January 19,
      2007 outside the office of his weekly--, and his wife Rakel.

      The orphanage sought to help underprivileged Armenian children and
      orphans, who had moved to Istanbul from other parts of Turkey, get
      an education.
      Hayastan or Bust.


      • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?


        16:42, 29 Sep 2015
        Siranush Ghazanchyan

        On the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session in New York,
        Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu had a meeting with his Belgian
        counterpart Charles Michel.

        The Resolution the Belgian Parliament adopted on the occasion of the
        Armenian genocide Centennial was high on the agenda,
        reports, quoting Turkish

        According to the source, the Belgian Prime Minister said the bill is
        of political importance and does not imply any legal consequences.

        Davutoglu, in turn, expressed his discontent with sanctions against
        MPs that voted against the bill, meaning Mahinur Ozdemir, who is of
        Turkish descent.

        Davutoglu added they are ready to discuss any issue, including the
        one of expelling the lawmaker from his party.
        Hayastan or Bust.


        • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?


          12:24, 18 Nov 2015
          Siranush Ghazanchyan

          Turkish fans booed during the minute's silence for the victims of
          the Paris attacks before their national team drew 0-0 with Greece in
          a friendly international soccer game on Tuesday, Reuters reports.

          According to The Daily Mail, chants of 'Allahu Akbar' were reportedly
          heard in Istanbul as some Turkey fans shamefully booed a pre-match
          minute's silence for the victims of the Paris attacks.

          The mark of respect was observed at matches across Europe, including
          at Wembley where France faced England, after Islamic State militants
          struck Paris on Friday killing 129 people.

          Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and Greek counterpart Alexis
          Tsipras watched the game together, in a sign of reconciliation between
          the two neighbors, whose relationship has suffered from hostilities
          in the past.

          It was the first time the two teams had met for eight years and
          the Turkish Football Federation had announced a string of additional
          security measures before the match at the Istanbul Basaksehir stadium,
          which was a 17,000 sell out.

          Hayastan or Bust.


          • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

            Can a hominoid learn to be human ?
            That's the question.


            • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

              If its a Tukish baby raised by other ethnicity like us or say Greeks, might work. But once he is an adult it is hard to say what he will do knowing he was born a Turk.
              Turkish unity is strong just like a LA gang Crips, etc.

              So answer is No, not possible, blood and skull too tick, tunnel vision and they can act like Borgs of Star Trek or Orcs of Lord of the Ring in a second.......4 letter hominoid will do and will be.
              B0zkurt Hunter


              • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                Can a hominoid learn to be human ?
                That's the question.
                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                If its a Tukish baby raised by other ethnicity like us or say Greeks, might work. But once he is an adult it is hard to say what he will do knowing he was born a Turk.
                Turkish unity is strong just like a LA gang Crips, etc.

                So answer is No, not possible, blood and skull too tick, tunnel vision and they can act like Borgs of Star Trek or Orcs of Lord of the Ring in a second.......4 letter hominoid will do and will be.
                Their conduct shows their nature.


                • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                  The deportation of Armenians “was the right decision”, says Bahceli

                  June 9, 2016 13:26

                  Yerevan/Mediamax/. The leader of Turkey’s opposition Nationalist
                  Movement Party Devlet Bahceli stated that "the deportation of
                  Armenians in 1915 and 1916 by the Ottomans was the right decision”.

                  “The future of our people would be in danger if the deportation
                  decision for the Armenians wasn’t given in those conditions,” said
                  Bahceli during a parliamentary group meeting of his party in Ankara on
                  June 8, Turkish Hurriyetreports.

                  The Turkish politician added that such decision “should be done again
                  if the circumstances were the same”.

                  “Changing the places of the Armenians doesn’t aim to annihilate them,
                  but to protect the state, which is absolutely correct,” said Bahceli.

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                  Hayastan or Bust.


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                    Germany nixes Armenian 'genocide' concert in Istanbul

                    October 25, 2016
                    1 Comment
                    BERLIN (AP) — Germany's Foreign Ministry has halted plans for a classical concert about the Armenian genocide that was due to be held at its consulate in Istanbul.
                    The ministry confirmed media reports Tuesday that it had informed the Dresden Symphony Orchestra the venue wouldn't be available Nov. 13.
                    The orchestra had planned to perform "Aghet ," a special concert commemorating the mass killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I.
                    The killings are viewed by many scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century and Germany's Parliament recently passed a resolution describing them as such, much to Turkey's anger.
                    German news agency dpa reports that the orchestra had invited Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim to the concert.
                    Hayastan or Bust.


                    • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                      It has been ten years since Hrant Dink was gunned down. Now Garo Paylan is being persecuted. It is so sad that we cannot live on our own lands in peace.
                      Hayastan or Bust.