Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

[Eddo211]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

If everyone who vomited out their race hate (like Eddo and Arty and co regularly do) were to be banned immediately for short periods, and with repeat offenders given a permanent ban, that would clean the place up.

You would like that....then it would be just you and your mini minions.

I tell you what, I will do a Jihad on you......If the Mods ban you permanently from this forum then I be willing to close my account/get banned for good as long as I know the rest of the members don't have to deal with your anti-Armenian posts.
You man enough? deal?

[Haykakan]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

TURKEY'S ARMENIANS IN CRISIS OVER PATRIARCH

Al-Monitor
Feb 27 2014

Author: Orhan Kemal CengizPosted February 27, 2014

Turkey's Armenian community is eagerly awaiting the outcome of a
lawsuit at the Council of State, the country's top administrative
court, that is likely to have a major impact on how the Armenian
patriarchate of Constantinope functions in the future. The legal
battle concerns who should elect the Armenian patriarch -- a small
group of clergy or the broader community.

The case has pitted one segment of the Armenian community against
the Interior Ministry and other community members. It has also
exposed a serious rift that sheds light on the Armenian minority's
reality in Turkey and the government's strategies for controlling
the patriarchate.

The Istanbul-based Armenian patriarchate is a 553-year-old institution
that holds spiritual authority over 42 churches. Its patriarchs have
long been elected by the community.

The Turkish state's attempts to control the patriarchate became more
systematic after the 1960 military coup. In 1961, the council of
ministers issued a decree stipulating that elections for a patriarch
must be held on a date and at a venue selected by the Istanbul
governor's office. Every government since has sought to control
these elections.

In 2007, a tragic incident paved the way for the governing Justice and
Development Party to make one of the boldest-ever interventions in the
Armenian elections. That year, Patriarch Mesrob II, elected in 1998,
fell ill. His memory and cognitive abilities were severely damaged,
so he was unable to perform his duties.

With Mesrob disabled, two opposing views emerged in the patriarchate
on how to resolve the situation. Rather than seeking a compromise,
however, both sides submitted their requests to the Interior Ministry.

The Entrepreneur Council, considered the patriarchate's "civilian
wing," requested permission to elect a new patriarch. The Spiritual
Council, a group of clerics, asked the ministry to approve the election
of a "co-patriarch."

The ministry's decision caught both sides off-guard. Since the
incumbent patriarch was still alive, neither a new patriarch nor a
co-patriarch could be elected, it decided. Instead, an acting patriarch
should be elected. Thus, the post of "patriarchal deputy-general"
was established, a position without precedence in the history and
traditions of the Armenian Church.

Heeding the Interior Ministry's decision, the Spiritual Council
elected its own head, Archbishop Aram Atesyan, as acting patriarch
in July 2010. The move led to serious rifts and heightened tensions
within the Armenian community.

Both applications to the Interior Ministry had sought an electoral
process -- be it for a new patriarch or a co-patriarch -- in which all
community members were to have voted. Instead, the "deputy-general"
was elected by a small group of clergymen.

For the Armenians, the Interior Ministry's intervention was unjust
and contrary to their traditions. Their first reaction was to launch
a petition drive. Those arguing that the entire community should
elect the patriarch collected 5,350 signatures and submitted it to
the ministry in 2010, but to no avail.

Next, they filed a lawsuit at the administrative court, seeking
nullification of the Interior Ministry's decision. The community's
lawyers argued that by appointing Archbishop Aram as patriarch
deputy-general, the ministry had interfered in the Armenian community's
internal affairs and thus violated the principle of secularism. This
is the case the Council of State is currently hearing.

The intensity of the intracommunal rift is reflected in the language
that the much-respected Armenian weekly Agos uses in reference to
Atesyan. In one headline, for instance, it depicts him as patronizing
and calls him "archbishop" to make clear it does not recognize him
as acting patriarch. The article further underscores the paper's
rejectionist position: "In an interview with the Jamanak newspaper,
Archbishop Aram Atesyan has yet again made very controversial remarks.

His comments on various issues, such as his bid for central civilian
management, the irregularities in the foundation elections, the home
he purchased in the [resort town of] Bodrum, and the patriarchate's
financial accounts are the latest example of his self-righteous
attitude."

The newspaper Taraf has also reported on the community's objections to
Atesyan. In a Feb. 15 article, "Crisis in Patriarch's Election," Sebu
Aslangil, one of the lawyers in charge of the lawsuit at the Council
of State, is quoted as saying, "The Interior Ministry imposed on us a
deputyship office and the patriarchate went along ... Atesyan erred
in not resisting the election of a deputy, something nonexistent in
our traditions, and for having himself elected to the post." Another
community member, Sahin Gezer, was reported as noting, "Aram Atesyan
well could have rejected the post in the face of election demands."

So, the tragic illness of the elected patriarch, the ensuing failure
of the Armenian community to reach a compromise and their decision to
seek the state's arbitration -- in addition to the government seeing
the situation as a golden opportunity to control the patriarchate --
have together created an acute crisis that may drag on for years.

The crisis demonstrates not only the Armenian community's problematic
relationship with the state, but also the Turkish state's unchanging
policy of meddling and manipulation vis-a-vis its minorities despite
changing governments. It is a typical divide-and-rule tactic,
which constitutes a fragrant breach of religious freedom and serves
neither the Armenian community nor Turkish democracy. The Turkish
state's hostility toward minorities precludes any win-win policies
in this realm.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/02/turkey-armenians-crisis-patriarch.html#

[Haykakan]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

ARREST OF SEVAN NISHANYAN IS ATTEMPT TO GAG ANOTHER ARMENIAN IN TURKEY: NADYA UYGUN

12:15, 19 March, 2014

YEREVAN, MARCH 19, ARMENPRESS: In the result of the state policy, the
Armenian linguist Sevan Nishanyan is one of the Armenians, subjected
to tortures and pressure in Turkey, whose voice has been silenced
forever in the country. The detention of Nishanyan and the actions
against him are an attempt to gag an Armenian, living in Turkey,
ahead of the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.

This is to present the world that a group of intellectuals founded
the international committee "Freedom and justice to Sevan Nishanyan".

Armenpress talked to one of the authors of the initiative Nadya Uygun,
an Armenian who was born in Turkey.

- Being the member of the international committee "Freedom and
justice to Sevan Nishanyan" and at the same time the US coordinator
of the structure, what do you think, how can the establishment of
the committee affect the state pressure policy against Sevan Nishanyan?

- As a committee, our aim is to present the public and especially the
international community the injustice against the Armenian linguist.

Because if the injustice towards a scientist, who greatly contributed
to the art and tourism, is presented to the world, a serious pressure
will be imposed on Turkey.

- The pressures upon the national minorities and especially Armenians
have been continuing for centuries in Turkey. When and how can this
situation change?

- This situation will remain unchanged for quite a long time, as
everything begins from the education first. For example, if the
invented history of the Republic of Turkey in the Turkish textbooks
is changed, the hatred will little by little change as well. Just
imagine that the entire state has been built on a great lie. Their
invented "liberation war" was not at all an "anti-imperialistic war",
as they say. It was just a period to establish a state, robbing and
stealing property and possessions, as well as killing the Armenians
and Christian nations under the pretext of war. 3-4 generations have
been brought up, learning by heart this fairy tale. Only in case if
all this is accepted and faced, it would be possible to speak about
a just state and country. That means that if all this is not done,
they would not have any rest and authority.

And besides, it is necessary that they keep aside from the Azerbaijani
state and disconnect all the ties with it. It has been for years that
a group of very good and courageous people struggle in the name of
these principles at the cost of their lives. Maybe we do not see it
yet, but "on the wall there is a crack already"... Some day that wall
will fall by all means.

- Can the Turkish denial policy change in 2015, ahead of the 100th
anniversary of the Armenian Genocide?

- It can change... For a moment we have filled with hope. Though
the government, changing its position, has begun cooperating with
the deniers. That denial policy will not change for some time. And it
cannot change. But the fact that it is already possible to speak about
it, proves about a great positive change. Even if many people deny it,
they do know about the issue. They know that the mysterious letters
on the stones coming under the feet in Anatolia are from the Armenian
alphabet. They can deny it as long as they want, but an Armenian trace
comes out from each centimeter of the land in the entire geography.

(THE FULL VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW IS AVAILABLE IN ARMENIAN)

http://armenpress.am/arm/news/754476/arrest-of-sevan-nishanyan-is-attempt-to-gag-another-armenian-in-turkey-nadya-uygun.html

Interview by Araks Kasy

http://armenpress.am/eng/news/754476/arrest-of-sevan-nishanyan-is-attempt-to-gag-another-armenian-in-turkey-nadya-uygun.html

[Eddo211]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Turks in Turkey do worst to their own kind than to the Armenians under arrest.......many moderate Turks just disappear in the prison.

[hipeter924]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

I don't have to tell them, they know it themselves......I make fun of them because they want so bad to be like Americans but they are epic fail and that the Queen owns everything in Australia and that they are not a real country with their candyass flag of England and northern stars, no colors of your own.
I almost got killed by these redneck drunk Aussies once for being a Yankee, lol
With that said most Aussies are pussies....they only fight in numbers.....I still be friends with one of them over you, just be happy we don't meet up in a pup you dork.

I agree there is a lot of racism in Australia, when I went to school there the kids picked on the Japanese language teacher at school and made her cry, and in many pubs European descended Australians make derogatory remarks about Aboriginals (the native people of Australia).

[Haykakan]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

TURKS RETURN ARMENIANS' PROPERTY WITH ONE HAND AND SEIZE IT WITH ANOTHER - REVIEW

17:53 * 29.05.14

Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party returns the one-time
Armenian buildings to their original owners with one hand while
trying to seize it with another, reports the Istanbul-based bilingual
weekly Agos.

The publication says that the earlier decision to return
the community's property symbolized a kind of new approach to
the historical injustice, which could not be ignored despite the
remarkable differences between the buildings' original appearance
and current look.

"In the run-up to 2015, the 'just memory' of the Armenian Genocide
is turning into state policies, so the property return may have a
certain value in terms of reinstating that justice.

"But to heal and repair the injustice of the past it is necessary to
find permanent rather than transient solutions," reads the article.

It says further that the local authorities in Istanbul's Zeitinburnu
neighborhood have filed a lawsuit to reinstate the ownership right
to the land lot returned to the Armenian church of Sourb Prkich
(Holy Savior).

A namesake hospital is said to be the building's owner, but the city
authorities reportedly appeal against the decision to return it to
the Armenian community.

The property is thought to be of vital importance for the hospital
which offers aid to not only Armenians but also any individual
regardless of religion or ethnic identity.

"That move by the Zeitinburnu mayor's office will hopefully be
remembered as an unpleasant step tomorrow. To avoid such problems it
is necessary to return the entire property without preconditions and
take steps towards reparation," says the publication.

Armenian News - Tert.am

[Haykakan]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
Address: Weesperstraat 91
2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
Telephone: +31704490209
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.faon.nl
Contact: M. Hakhverdian

PRESS RELEASE

Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
- Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
slogans and chants.

FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
Turkish TV channel.

The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
(including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
Turkey), that UETD (Union Europäisch-Türkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) ³Karabakh will be the tomb of
the Armenian".

The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

Comments by FAON
The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
population, once they express themselves on this issue.

The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.

[Artashes]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
Address: Weesperstraat 91
2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
Telephone: +31704490209
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.faon.nl
Contact: M. Hakhverdian

PRESS RELEASE

Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
- Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
slogans and chants.

FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
Turkish TV channel.

The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
(including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
Turkey), that UETD (Union Europäisch-Türkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) ³Karabakh will be the tomb of
the Armenian".

The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

Comments by FAON
The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
population, once they express themselves on this issue.

The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.

(1) as well as the fact the turk govt is behind it (the denial and turk racism)
(2) it is known they (moderate informed Turks) are experiencing problems from the "nationalist turk" population (the MAJORITY).
Although this is a turk govt policy of denial by lying, it is also supported by the vast majority of hominoids (turks).
Those --- relatively --- few who admit the TRUTH are minuscule compared to the total.
The GENOCIDE continues.
Unabated.

[Artashes]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
Address: Weesperstraat 91
2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
Telephone: +31704490209
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.faon.nl
Contact: M. Hakhverdian

PRESS RELEASE

Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
- Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
slogans and chants.

FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
Turkish TV channel.

The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
(including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
Turkey), that UETD (Union Europ�isch-T�rkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) �Karabakh will be the tomb of
the Armenian".

The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

Comments by FAON
The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
population, once they express themselves on this issue.

The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.

(1) as well as the fact the turk govt is behind it (the denial and turk racism)
(2) it is known they (moderate informed Turks) are experiencing problems from the "nationalist turk" population (the MAJORITY).
Although this is a turk govt policy of denial by lying, it is also supported by the vast majority of hominoids (turks).
Those --- relatively --- few who admit the TRUTH are minuscule compared to the total.
The GENOCIDE continues.
Unabated.

Also note --- the turcs often fraudulently deny they are the automums and say they are not responsible for those actions.
The automums were and are their grandparents.
They celebrate automums victories and history as their own.
See how swiftly and easily they pull out automums garb to taunt us and express their solidarity with the automums actions!!
This is not only a govt (turc) endeavor but also a grass roots sentiment shared by the majority of hominoids (turcs).
They want to keep all that they have stolen and they don't want to be held accountable for murder and torture and kidnaping and abduction.
Same as those who preceded them.
Nothing has changed.
They got no heart, no decency and they can't say the truth, but must use lies exclusivly.
They're turcs.

[Eddo211]

Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

Turks are the master race.....tolerance does not apply.

When it comes to Armenians the unity of government officials of all parties and a regular Turk is amazing.....both spit on our graves.