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Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

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  • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

    Originally posted by Hayayrun View Post
    Good morning Haykakan,

    where do you got this information???
    This are only "sayings"!!!

    Can you give me only one simple evidence, that "many turks helped armenians during the genocide"???

    Why should they help us armenians, we are their enemies, enemies should be killed ... isn't it so???

    Turks still kills armeniens the famous one was dear Mr. Hrant Dink and the last armenian gay was Sevak Balikciyan who was shot and killed in the turkish military on the "24th April"

    Greetings from Munic
    Well said.
    I wonder if when you said "last Armenian --- gay --- " , if you actually meant --- guy ---- ?
    As you have stated by personal experience , and I have stated by first hand accounts of what happened both 95 + years ago but also --- attitude, treatment, conduct, by the --- DISTGUSTING --- ones I call turks.
    This conduct and attitude have been going on since day one that they approached our lands.
    From then to now, attitude is still the same --- by the vast majority --- which is representative of turkish "society" both in general and as a whole.
    I do listen to your first hand accounts as honest accounts.


    • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?


      Another elderly Armenian woman is severely beaten in Istanbul January

      Another elderly Armenian woman was assaulted, on Tuesday evening,
      in Istanbul's densely-Armenian-populated Samatya district.

      The woman was attacked nearby a local police precinct. The assailant
      was around 35 years old and he was wearing black clothes.

      It is noted that the Armenian woman was severely beaten. As a result,
      her glasses were broken and its glass caused damage to the woman's eye;
      she underwent a surgery on Wednesday morning.

      Istanbul Office of the Human Rights Association of Turkey called for
      a demonstration, on Wednesday at 4pm, against violence taking place
      on xenophobic grounds.

      To note, this is the third such attack against elderly Armenian women
      in Samatya.
      Hayastan or Bust.


      • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

        Again they continue to attack elderly women. These Turks don't even have the balls to attack men. They only have the courage to attack frail elderly women....typical.
        Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
        "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."


        • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

          They adopt a nocturnal policy vs men they only attack men who are unarmed and sleeping.
          Originally posted by Mos View Post
          Again they continue to attack elderly women. These Turks don't even have the balls to attack men. They only have the courage to attack frail elderly women....typical.
          Hayastan or Bust.


          • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            They adopt a nocturnal policy vs men they only attack men who are unarmed and sleeping.
            Much like Wolfs they target the weak and the defenseless.....easy pray.
            B0zkurt Hunter


            • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?


              January 23, 2013

              Second attack not confirmed independently

              ISTANBUL, Turkey-Two elderly Armenian women were attacked in
              Istanbul's Samatya district on Jan 22 and 23, less than a month after
              an 84-year-old Armenian woman was brutally murdered in Istanbul,
              raising the number of violent attacks against elderly Armenian women
              to at least four in recent months.

              Two elderly Armenian women were attacked in Istanbul's Samatya district
              on Jan 22 and 23.

              The Jan. 22 attack happened around 5 p.m. when the victim, 83-year-old
              Sultan Aykar was about to enter her ground-floor apartment. She then
              saw the intruder and, frightened, she fell. The attacker proceeded to
              kick her. Hearing her screams, neighbors came down, scaring off the
              masked man, reported Bianet. The neighbors described the attacker as
              a male between the ages of 35 and 40, with gray hair, and dressed in
              black. During the attack, Aykar suffered damage to her eye. She has
              now lost sight in that eye, despite surgery on Jan. 23. The victim's
              daughter, Menzar Etik, said her mother did not have any enemies, as
              she was a quiet woman. Etik did not believe the attacker's intention
              was robbery, as the attacker did not attempt to steal her purse,
              and there was nothing more than a broken TV in her apartment.

              Today (Jan. 23), another attack was reported on yet another elderly
              Armenian woman. The attack happened on the street, near the Samatya
              High School, sources reported. The two assailants ran away. The victim
              was covered with blood. Shortly thereafter, she disappeared.

              Community members and plainclothes policemen have been unable to find
              or identify the woman.

              The Armenian Weekly could not independently confirm the report on
              today's attack.

              In turn, Agos editor Rober Koptas told the Weekly, "We spoke to
              churchmen, taghagans, shopkeepers, police, and lots of people but
              none of them confirmed it."

              The Samatya area is home to many Armenians. The community is weary
              of these attacks, and calls for caution have been made.

              In recent years, there have been several attacks against Armenians
              in Turkey. In early December another Armenian woman was attacked and
              robbed; while months earlier an Armenian woman was attacked by a taxi
              driver and called an infidel.

              On Jan. 6, three assailants tried to kidnap an elderly Armenian woman,
              according to Turkish sources. The attempt failed.

              According to human rights activists, the common thread that runs
              through all of these crimes is not just their being motivated by hate
              or being committed in an environment that breeds intolerance against
              Armenians, but also the efforts of the authorities to play them down
              and cover them up.

              The Armenian Weekly will continue following up on this issue.
              Hayastan or Bust.


              • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                Somebody needs to step up ...


                • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                  Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                  They adopt a nocturnal policy vs men they only attack men who are unarmed and sleeping.
                  Looks like Turks were never able to grow a pair.
                  Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
                  "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."


                  • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                    Originally posted by Mos View Post
                    Looks like Turks were never able to grow a pair.
                    Good call .
                    They equate the hoard principle to having stones .


                    • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?


                      SOCIETY | 30.01.13 | 13:07

                      By GAYANE ABRAHAMYAN
                      ArmeniaNow reporter

                      Several assaults against Armenians in Turkey over the past month have
                      raised concerns and stirred a wave of outrage not only among Armenians,
                      but also Turkish human rights advocates, who held an act of protest
                      Sunday calling for "consistency in investigating the assaults and
                      murders on ethnic grounds".

                      Pro-Kurdish member of the Turkish parliament, representative of Peace
                      and Democracy party Sebahat Tuncel and independent MP, member of the
                      Commission on Human Rights Ertugrul Kurkcu declared during the protest
                      that the assaults were hate crimes motivated by strong anti-Armenian
                      sentiments and that "the police is at fault for their inertness".

                      On December 28, in her home at Istanbul's Samatia district largely
                      populated by Armenians, 85-year-old Maritsa Kucuk was brutally
                      murdered. Her son's testimony claims that the perpetrators had "carved"
                      a cross with a knife on the old woman's chest.

                      Some ten days earlier in the same district an 87-year-old native
                      Armenian woman, Turfanda Ashik was assaulted and brutally beaten.

                      On January 6 (Armenian Christmas), another native Armenian woman
                      escaped an attempted assault on her way to church. With her own
                      resistance and some support from aside she managed to find refuge in
                      the church.

                      On January 22, again at Samatia district, near his house 83-year-old
                      Sultan Aykar became a victim of assault and lost vision in one eye
                      caused by beating.

                      Turkish human rights advocates are convinced that the crimes are of
                      "racist anti-Armenian character", however it is unclear yet whether
                      the "racist sentiments" are against Armenians only, or Christians
                      in general.

                      Editor of the Armenian version of Istanbul-based Agos daily Bagrat
                      Estukian believes "these are hate crimes" as a reaction prior to the
                      100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide to be marked in 2015.

                      The Istanbul branch of Turkey's Human Rights Association has published
                      a separate report in which several Samatia residents stress that they
                      are "afraid" and that for as long as "the word 'Armenian' is used as
                      a swear word, such incidents will keep happening".

                      By various census results there are 50,000-60,000 Armenians living
                      in Turkey today, the majority of them in Istanbul; Armenians there
                      have a patriarchy, 16 schools, more than 30 churches, 3 newspapers
                      (one of them 100-years-old) and two hospitals.

                      Despite the constant fear and atmosphere of ethnic discrimination,
                      the Armenian community of Turkey keeps staying in what they call their
                      "historic homeland".

                      "Such problems have always existed, but the atmosphere of fear now
                      is really tangible," Istanbul-based Heriknaz Avagian, initiator and
                      principle of the special Armenian school for the children of illegal
                      immigrants, told ArmeniaNow.

                      The year of 2007 became a watershed in the lives of Istanbul-Armenians,
                      when editor-in-chief of Agos daily Hrant Dink was assassinated near
                      his newsroom.

                      As Turkish Armenian Arus Yumul, sociology professor and head of chair
                      at one of Istanbul's biggest universities (around 12,000 students),
                      explains "Dink's murder awakened not only us Armenians, but also
                      Turks, who started showing more interest in the dark pages of their
                      history," however this "awakening of consciousness" has also had
                      a counter-effect.

                      Months after Dink's murder Istanbul's St Astvatsatsin (Holy Virgin)
                      church suffered an armed attack when a gunman opened fire during
                      liturgy, luckily with no casualties.

                      In 2011, on April 24 - Remembrance Day for the victims of the Armenian
                      Genocide - in the army a Turkish soldier shot dead his fellow private
                      Sevag Sahin Balikci. On the day of the funeral his parents said it
                      was an accident, but during the trial, the last hearing of which
                      took place on January 25, they declared that "Sevak was murdered for
                      being Armenian, that day one Armenian had to be killed, it had been
                      decided so."

                      During the same 2011 a taxi driver physically abused an Armenian woman:
                      he called her an "infidel", beat her and threw out of his car.

                      After this case the police stated that it was a matter of minutes
                      to take the driver into custody, because both the vehicle number and
                      the taxi service were known. More than a year has passed and nobody
                      has been held accountable.

                      These recent cases have had strong reaction in Armenia, some even
                      drew parallels with the murder of Kurdish women in France during
                      the same period, committed in the highlight of negotiations with
                      Abdullah Ocalan.

                      However, expert in Turkish studies Ruben Safrastyan, head of the
                      Institute of Eastern Studies at the National Academy of Sciences,
                      believes that the assaults are anti-Christian rather than

                      "The Turkish society is undergoing a period of change, on the one hand
                      it is the desire for growing awareness about the Genocide among some
                      circles, on the other it is the extremist pro-religious, pro-Islamic
                      sentiments growing deeper and as counter-effect the anti-Christian
                      and anti-Armenian wave is getting bigger," says Safrastyan, adding
                      that the government policy is creating fertile soil for all of this.
                      Hayastan or Bust.