Religion Discussion (seperated from Turkish Defense)

[Turanist]

you racist against Islam Reincarnated Am?

[Reincarnated Am]

you racist against Islam Reincarnated Am?

For your information, Islam is not a race, it’s a religion, and one cannot be a racist towards a religion. I am only against and hate stupid fundamentalists and idiot fanatics such as your friend who puts down Christianity; thinking just because he is an Islam only Muslims can enter heaven.
I think you people when you read something instead of blood your “Bokh” rushes to your brains, that’s why you translate them differently, or you guys just don’t get them.

[1.5 million]

religion....bahh...keep it away...

All religion is a curse. It is the willing acceptance of ignorance.

Sorry if this offends anyone - but I see this - based on all evidence - as being the obvious conclusion.

It is more about disbelieving then believing. Disbelieving anything but what you (think you) know and accept to be true (what you have contrived as your world view - end of story - even knowing that humans cannot possibly know or have the perspective/ability to truly know) - at the expense of all other possible knowledge and perspective.

Such a closed and (self) limiting perspective. Sad for humans to define themselves in such narrow xenophobic and unappreciative (of the boundless glory of untamed existance) terms (And of course the resulting disrespect of others and of other ways of thinking/knowing...). And even more sad to dehumanize and kill others based on these rather dubious criteria...that you know better and that in knowing so it makes you superior and gives you the right to take the lives of others....)

[Gavur]

All religion is a curse. It is the willing acceptance of ignorance.

Sorry if this offends anyone - but I see this - based on all evidence - as being the obvious conclusion.

It is more about disbelieving then believing. Disbelieving anything but what you (think you) know and accept to be true (what you have contrived as your world view - end of story - even knowing that humans cannot possibly know or have the perspective/ability to truly know) - at the expense of all other possible knowledge and perspective.

Such a closed and (self) limiting perspective. Sad for humans to define themselves in such narrow xenophobic and unappreciative (of the boundless glory of untamed existance) terms (And of course the resulting disrespect of others and of other ways of thinking/knowing...). And even more sad to dehumanize and kill others based on these rather dubious criteria...that you know better and that in knowing so it makes you superior and gives you the right to take the lives of others....)

By believing what you stated, you are believing in something
Evil always used symbols of goodness to spread itself to dominate the world which it runs.
True religion is belief in love and goodness that is not of this world,thats greater than us, mere mortals.

It is not religion if it's legislated,forced or imposed upon someone.

[1.5 million]

By believing what you stated, you are believing in something

I believe that if I brush my teeth 3 times a day I shall live forever - proove me wrong....(somehow though I can only seem to get it done twice a day...blimey that!)

You cannot claim that I "believe" in something - specifically - just because I deny that what others claim to be true has in fact any validity - you have no clue as to whatmy "beliefs" are - i have not stated them - other then I am highly skeptical that any belief system devised by man to explain reality has any chance in ____ (whatever... ) of being remotely close to being correct - and in the meantime we seem to hold a lot of faith (I am using this as a bad word in this context) that we really know what is true and waht is not and we use this hypothetical/contrived worldview to make some very serious judgement calls concerning other people....(not a good thing - never is - look at the history...evidence only supports my claim...)

Evil always used symbols of goodness to spread itself to dominate the world which it runs.

I have never met "Dr Evil" in the flesh and I seriously doubt that such a being? exists who is runnig the world or such (a very silly notion) - any personification of such a thing is to me ludicrous. Do you know what I think "evil" is - selfihness (at least where it comes to making decisions for ones own good that deprive others) - this is evil

True religion is belief in love and goodness that is not of this world,thats greater than us, mere mortals.

love and goodness are a result of honesty (true honesty to oneself and others) and action (acting on it). To preach love but not to really believe it or to act in accordance to such priciples is IMO - evil....and to require such a thing to be external to oneself for it to be true is...a cop out...matter is mortal...energy is....unknown....

It is not religion if it's legislated,forced or imposed upon someone.

I don't understand this point except that I believe that if we cannot be skeptical and open - but instead must feel obliged to accept someone elses definitions...well we are just admitting that we know nothing but are accepting answers provided us...(contrived and by definition untrue...but OK if you are comfortable with or require a fiction in order to feel good about yourself and to alleviate yourself of the need to think for yourself [or just admit that some things cannot/will never be knowable...etc] and stand up for yourself OK - that is your deficiency...) instead of just accepting that we know nothing (or only a very tiny slice - but that this is OK - it should be enough - one would hope - to make the right decisions for oneselves and for [the benefit of] others...) - and that we are all responsible - we are - after all adults...and not children....who need to be told...

Thats how I see it anyway...

[Gavur]

To each his own but..
But anti Faith/Belief IS a belief in itself.

So your belief does not but my belief makes me deficient? ...lol

What ever your belief is just dont stop searching.

[1.5 million]

To each his own but..
But anti Faith/Belief IS a belief in itself.

So your belief does not but my belief makes me deficient? ...lol

What ever your belief is just dont stop searching.

Anti religeous belief is not a (religeous) "belief" per se - as you cannot define it. Do all those who reject religion believe the same? Do they follow common ritual, have special days of observance, deify objects and so on and so forth? No - the only thing they have in common is to reject some solution proposed by someone else. As those who believe in one particualr religion likewise reject all others we do not say that they are common believers in the anti-Hinduism religion for instance - just becaue a group of people think that Hinduism isn't where it is at...however my contention is that any who accept supernatural explanations by definition are doing such without knowledge but only through acceptance (faith) and while I can have "faith" in the obvious - such as if I step into an elevator shaft and the elevator isn't there I will very likely fall...but when I must employ "faith" to explain things that are beyond my ability to experience or to reason based on experience (or to scientifcally derive through principles of observation, calculation, expirimentation and subject to falsification etc) - well then I think that this is an admission that one is really willing to just accept something because they have been told or led to believe it is true - and for phenomonon that are clearly beyond anyone's experience or clear ability to know (such as how the universe was created and the existance of spirits or what have you) - well I think it is more polite (correct) to just admit that one cannot know these things but perhaps we can at best speculate (and use the powers of science to tell us at least something useful that we can all more or less agree on...). ANd if the guy next to you speculates differently - well it should be no big deal - I mean what does it really matter anyway? What is more important is how you show respect and kindness and such to others you come accross in your life...don't be a burden....or worse...and give it your best shot....

[Gavur]

I think we disagree on what definition of Religion is
To me it means way of life
and I feel having convictions based on our conscious being requires a certain amount of faith also
I like to base my faith on my consience thats probably our difference
and BTW were all deficient in some ways.

[Reincarnated Am]

I respect everyone’s religion or believes, as long as they don’t force it on others and they respect other’s religion or believes and don’t think anyone is more superior or have better chances to enter heaven, if someone thinks God will discriminate people because of their religion, that’s a stupid thinking God created all men kind alike and same, you do good you go to a good place (which I choose to call it heaven) you do bad you stay in the circle (which I choose to call it Hell) you can call it whatever you like. I am a Christian because I choose to be a Christian; you can be whatever you want to be, that should be everyone’s free choice.

[1.5 million]

I think we disagree on what definition of Religion is
To me it means way of life
and I feel having convictions based on our conscious being requires a certain amount of faith also
I like to base my faith on my consience thats probably our difference
and BTW were all deficient in some ways.

yes we aparently have different definitions (because I am certainly not religious [nor could I be said in any way to possess/rely upon etc "faith"]...lol) so OK and yes I agree...

I respect everyone’s religion or believes, as long as they don’t force it on others and they respect other’s religion or believes and don’t think anyone is more superior...

OK that is fine by me...I respect that...