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  • Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

    Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

    Armenia does not recognize Turkey’s territorial integrity and may in the future lay claim to lands that were populated by Armenians before the 1915 genocide, a senior member of the governing Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) claimed on Friday.

    “The current government of which we are a part and the president whom we have supported and will support will not abandon territorial claims,” Giro Manoyan, a spokesman for the nationalist party’s ruling Bureau, said. “Armenia’s official position is that the issue is not on our foreign policy agenda. That means it can be on the agenda tomorrow.”

    Recognition of Turkey’s current borders has been one of Ankara’s preconditions for normalizing relations with Armenia. Official Yerevan says it recognizes the existing Turkish-Armenian border which was set by the Treaty of Kars signed in 1921 following the country’s takeover by Bolshevik Russia. The government of the then Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic was among the treaty’s signatories

    “Armenia is the successor state of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic,” the Armenian Foreign Ministry explains on its website. “All of the agreements which the ASSR signed continue to be in force unless new agreements have been signed to replace them.”

    At the same time the Armenian government has repeatedly dismissed Turkish demands to officially declare that it will never claim any lands in what is now eastern Turkey.

    “No Armenian government can do that because I believe the Armenia people would not allow that government to remain in power,” Manoyan said during a roundtable discussion in Yerevan.

    “The fact that there are no territorial claims today, does not mean we can’t lay such claims tomorrow,” he told RFE/RL separately.

    The possibility of such claims has never been publicly acknowledged by President Robert Kocharian, Defense Minister Serzh Sarkisian and two other parties represented in Armenia’s government. In a famous 2001 interview with CNN-Turk television, Kocharian sought to assure Ankara that its recognition of the 1915-1918 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide would not prompt territorial demands from Yerevan.

    “Genocide recognition by Turkey will not lead to legal consequences for territorial claims,” Kocharian said at the time. “The problem is that those events have taken place in Turkey, and the Republic of Armenia did not exist at that time, and today's Republic of Armenia is not the heir to those lands,” he added.

    David Phillips, a U.S. scholar who chaired the Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission, wrote in a 2005 book that Kocharian’s interview “helped mollify [Turkish] concerns about Armenia’s intentions.”

    But according to Manoyan, the Armenian leader simply stated that “there is no such issue on the agenda of Armenian foreign policy today.” “The president also said genocide recognition would not automatically result in territorial claims,” he said, denying any disagreements on the issue between Kocharian and Dashnaktsutyun.

    Manoyan revealed last summer that the party, which also has chapters in major Armenian communities abroad, plans a major shift in its long-running campaign for international recognition of the Armenian genocide. He said Dashnaktsutyun will strive to force Turkey to pay reparations.

    Kocharian, however, had told CNN-Turk that for him genocide recognition is “more of a moral issue.”

    Source: http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...EE76832E8B.ASP
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    Just being realistic here, I don't see Turkey returning any piece of land to Armenia. If we want our lands back, we have to do what we did in Karabagh. Turkey isn't gonna "give" us our lands back just to be nice.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tongue
      Just being realistic here, I don't see Turkey returning any piece of land to Armenia. If we want our lands back, we have to do what we did in Karabagh. Turkey isn't gonna "give" us our lands back just to be nice.

      That works for me. People need to get rid of these leaders who are willing to give everyone's rights away. Or they need to straighten them up. Who are those leaders speaking for but themselves?

      Maybe the diaspora should seriously consider cutting off funds until these leaders stop saying garbage like recognizing the "territorial integrity of turkey."

      They remind me of the turncoats who want to "friends" with Turks.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tongue
        Just being realistic here, I don't see Turkey returning any piece of land to Armenia. If we want our lands back, we have to do what we did in Karabagh. Turkey isn't gonna "give" us our lands back just to be nice.
        Yeah dude, I agree with you. I'm a Tashnak too. I have been around the party all my life. I know that Turkey will never give an inch of our lands back on their own. That is why the Tashnaks are doing this kind of politics. They want Turkey to know that we want more than apology and when the time is right, we will take our lands. Turks like freak out when they hear us Tashnaks. Because they know that however hard they try they cant fool the entire Armenian nation. This way Turks will not apologize to Armenians and they will not come to terms with the Genocide. they will always have this Armenian rope around their necks untill we hang them one day with it.

        yeah, yeah, I know, Tashnaks have made many mistakes in the past and they still do, but they are still the only serious and powerful political party we have in the dispora. Tahsnaks even have a lot of respect in Armenia. Turks have seen a lot of Armenian foo-foos lately like the Armenians in TARC or Armenians who want to "talk" to turks. I say f*** that, after what they did Turks will be our enemis forever. We want our lands and I want revenge too. Its good that Turks see Armenians have nationalists too, it works in our favor.

        Just think, what good is their apology? I want everything from Ararat to Van. Well, Marash and Adana sounds good too. These lands are rich in all kinds of resources Armenia needs and they are fertile lands and they are ours. Im telling you, may be not all but some of our lands will come back to us, we just have to be in the right state of mind till that time, you know what I mean?
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        • #5
          What would Armenia do with the land once they got it?

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          • #6
            Tashnak, Henchak, Ramgavar, who cares, as long as one has the heart of an Armenian, and wants the good of our people and our country

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Kharpert
              What what Armenia do with the land once they got it?
              Listen bro, I'm new hear but do you say anything thats like not annoying? What the hell do you mean - what are we gonna do with the lands??? Are you joking??? Who the F**** cares, its our lands and we can do what ever we F*** we want.

              Whats wrong with you Armos? That land will give Armenia stategic value in the eyes of the International community as it gives the turks now. That land has vast amounts of natural resaurces and great agricultural potential. Its the center of our homeland. Its where our ancestors are buried. Its where our sainst lived. Its where our kings ruled. Its where our towns and villages and ruined cities and fortesses are.

              Think long-term dude, think long term. I see Armenia gretting stronger and bigger year by year. One day we will need living space, SO WHAT BETTER LIVING SPACE THAN HAVING YOU OWN LANDS!!! I also want a direct route to the sea. Black sea, Med, or both. What ever. I will support any group any person any politician that can work towards this Armenian dream. So far I have only met Hayastantsis and ARF in the Diaspora who have this dream as well. The rest of you who do not see this dream are not my compatriots. You just continue being foofoos for turks.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kharpert
                What would Armenia do with the land once they got it?

                Play "Pin the Tail on the Foofoo"???

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                • #9
                  Mmm...you're getting ahead of yourself.

                  Imagine if the Armenian borders extend to Turkey. How would we deal with the Kurdish population and Turkish population that are firmly settled upon the land? Would you deport them? Maybe conduct a few pograms?

                  Now, explain to me how many Armenians would voluntarily choose to uproot themselves from where they are living (whether Armenia or Diaspora) to plant themselves in historical Armenia. I think that the land where I came from (the town of Perri in Kharpert) is 100% rural Kurdish and probably doesn't even have electricity yet. I have the deeds and documents to the land, but I've no desire to become a tobacco farmer in historical Armenia among hundreds of Kurds. I doubt that any of us here would voluntarily choose to move to historical Armenia if it meant living in poverty among firmly planted foreigners for generations to come.

                  Now, explain to me how Armenia would develop these lands? It already has such trouble developing its own little country; how would you expect it to develop such a huge land mass? How would it defend those borders with such a meager army? Or with such a corrupt government?

                  We should keep our historical lands in mind, but it shouldn't be a priority. We should focus on making our smaller nation stronger and cleaner before we try to take back anything we lost. Overextending ourselves in these hard-pressed times for Armenia is a recipe for disaster.

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                  Krunchy: Is the only thing you can do is call people names?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kharpert
                    What would Armenia do with the land once they got it?
                    No insult to you dear Kharpet, but about the same question someone once asked to our famous poet “Hovaness Shiraz” teasing him saying you always write about Mount Ararat, what about if one day we get it, what would you do with it?

                    His answer was:

                    Gellem Araratin kakatin
                    Zhaj goudam kez bes Hayerin Jagadin

                    Sorry, can’t help myself to tell this every time someone asks this question

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