Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

[imported_RUDO]

So you should be very strong for it

[1.5 million]

this thread has long ago devolved into absolute absurdity.

[imported_RUDO]

It is not a thread my friend.It is a piece of advice.

[imported_RUDO]

I only wanted to give advice to you.We should take our lessons from history.

[elendil]

Don't be so confident elendil.people can fight well when their lands are under attack

Under attack? Those lands belong to Turkey officially. Armenians dont live there anymore. So do you refer to attacks of 1915? Because if else I did not see the point..

[elendil]

It is not a thread my friend

Thread is a parameter of this forum. The one we are writing to " Dashnaks Insist on Territorial Claims To Turkey", It does not mean "threat"(Tehtid)

[Sion]

I got these figures from here these are figure from the 2000 census.

Artvin 191934
Ardahan 133756
Kars 325016
Igdir 168634
Agri 528744
Van 877524
Erzurum 937389
Rise 365938
Trabzon 975137

Yerevan is called Jerevan on that website.

The point is we are talking about huge numbers of people. I haven't added up them all up but if every Armenian abroad were to move back to these lands we would most likely be a minority. So if Kars was given to Armenia it would have a population of at least 325000 which would be better than having millions of Kurds and Turks.

[elendil]

I got these figures from here these are figure from the 2000 census.

Artvin 191934
Ardahan 133756
Kars 325016
Igdir 168634
Agri 528744
Van 877524
Erzurum 937389
Rise 365938
Trabzon 975137

Yerevan is called Jerevan on that website.

The point is we are talking about huge numbers of people. I haven't added up them all up but if every Armenian abroad were to move back to these lands we would most likely be a minority. So if Kars was given to Armenia it would have a population of at least 325000 which would be better than having millions of Kurds and Turks.

We are not giving an inch of land to anyone. Talking about these cities like it is under Armenia's rule or like it is populated with Armenians is childish. Please listen to what you are saying. You will force the army of Turkey out of eastern Anatolia, you will force millions of people(Turkish, Kurdish) out of those lands, you will settle in those lands and populate there forming an economy. Come on be sensible...

[Sion]

Sion you start out your post with "realistically" but the moment you say "when Turkey recognizes the Genocide..." and when go ahead to say that you will "ask for Ararat and Kars only" you become anything but realistic. It will take many many generations of Turkish people to come to the right mind frame for them to accept the genocide. And even this can happen only with purposeful education of the masses of 80 million people over many decades. Even if the Turkish government accepted the genocide now, the fact that the Turkish people do not belive in it due to their ignorance or other reasons would lead to a quick overthrow of the government by the Turkish army or by the people themselves. No government will commit political suicide and the Turkish army which still seems to be hardstrong Kemalist will stick to its territorial integrity policy at least for the next century or so. Any talk of land claims can only strengthen Turkeys political stance internationally and can only domestically justify any nationalistic moves within Turkey with regards to the Genocide (like conference raiding).

Yes I do understand this well. In another post I was suggesting that the Turkish government slowly introduce 'new evidence' to the Turkish population so that people will slowly believe that there was a genocide. Little things count like they could say that there is evidence to suggest the Armenian population was undercounted, that more Armenians might have been killed than previous estimates or the Turkish government can recover a mass grave and say that the victims are Armenians. Its these little but significant things that will change public opinion but it has to be done over time.

[Hovik]

Hey u realistic Armenians!!!
Lands can NOT be given , they have to be EARNED.
And if you want your lands back u should come and get them.Sorry there is no other way

Perhaps you are right
It doesn't really matter at this point... The diasporas focus is on Genocide recognition, and are not discussing land reparations.

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Hovik