Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

[Sion]

We are not giving an inch of land to anyone. Talking about these cities like it is under Armenia's rule or like it is populated with Armenians is childish. Please listen to what you are saying. You will force the army of Turkey out of eastern Anatolia, you will force millions of people(Turkish, Kurdish) out of those lands, you will settle in those lands and populate there forming an economy. Come on be sensible...

elendil have you read any of my other posts? probably not the truth is I have never said anything bad against the Turks and I have never anything bad to any Turk. I hold no hate to any Turk whatsoever. I am just being me in my posts I write honestly and realistically, infact if you read what other Armenians land demands are you will find that my suggestion of just Kars is probably the best you will ever hear. Ultimately I haven't heard of national borders changing due to a genocide.

The point is did you know that mount Ararat is the national symbol of Armenia. It is on Armenia's coat of arms. How important is it to you? How important is it to Turkey?

I was just thinking that when the day comes and Turkey admits to the genocide and at the next meeting at the UN with all the worlds leaders present the Armenian president stands up and praises Turkey for finally admiting the past and says that the healing process can now start and mentions that Armenia didn't agree to it present borders and says can we have just some of the land (a small amount of land) that had Armenian majorities before they were killed? Remember this is in front of all the worlds leaders. What will the Turkish president say? What will his response be?

[elendil]

elendil have you read any of my other posts? probably not the truth is I have never said anything bad against the Turks and I have never anything bad to any Turk. I hold no hate to any Turk whatsoever.

I have read a few of them but not all. Thanks, I hold no hate or dislike for Amrenian people also..

I am just being me in my posts I write honestly and realistically, infact if you read what other Armenians land demands are you will find that my suggestion of just Kars is probably the best you will ever hear. Ultimately I haven't heard of national borders changing due to a genocide.

The relativity between Armenian's people understanding of scope of land demands does not change the fact that it is a land demand which directly means that in fact a change of national borers

The point is did you know that mount Ararat is the national symbol of Armenia. It is on Armenia's coat of arms. How important is it to you? How important is it to Turkey?

Yes I know it is Armenian people's symbol, you have even named the film you shot "Ararat". As to its importance to me, it is as precious as any portion of the land that my country posseses.

I was just thinking that when the day comes and Turkey admits to the genocide and at the next meeting at the UN with all the worlds leaders present the Armenian president stands up and praises Turkey for finally admiting the past and says that the healing process can now start and mentions that Armenia didn't agree to it present borders and says can we have just some of the land (a small amount of land) that had Armenian majorities before they were killed? Remember this is in front of all the worlds leaders. What will the Turkish president say? What will his response be?

Well, first Turkey and Turkish people must say that the events that came to pass can be named as genocide. But for the moment, let's assume we did.
If Armenian president asks for land, Turkish president would probably say;

"We condemn any kind of questioning of land integrity of a official state and a respectable country. What hurts us even more, the one that does the questioning is a member of UN, thus a country that is bound by law to respect to the borders of its neighbour. While Armenia's claim is baseless, unlogical and irrevelant, we as the state of Turkey urge the state of Armenia to be constructive, helpful in normalising the relations of the two neighbours. We also warn such claims on the land of Turkey may invoke nationalist response in Turkish youth who, in future, will be the represants, diplomats, generals,soldiers of this country."

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The land issue is just a non-starter IMO. There are too many issues for me to briefly address and I don't feel like writing a tome at the moment. Suffice that as much as I understand the emotional calling of those lands for Armenians - and I have been there and feel it - the current situation - where there are no Armenians living there (and any movement of Armenians into these areas that envisions deporting those allready there is unacceptable) - and the political considerations - that this land is and has been considered part of Turkey - and was never part of an Armenian state per se - leads me to conclude that a "just" solution to this (land) issue is an entirely seperate issue to that of Genocide recognition. I don't think that anyone who is seriously approaching the issue of Genocide recognition is including the concept of land claims as at all intergral to that issue. I am also a skeptic regarding any sort of mass Diasporan emmigration into these lands if they ever were to become Armenian per se - for obvious reasons.

[Gavur]

The Turkish Don't Know That Armenians Live Next To Ani?

Panorama.am

16:25 27/01/06



Today the head of the Armenian Court office of Armenian Revolutionary
Alliance Kiro Manoyan and Hayk Demoyan touched upon the Armenian-Turkish
relations in `Hayeli' club. According to the words of K. Manoyan in the last
15 years only attempts have been made to establish Armenian-Turkish
relations. And in all that period Turkey has put in a number of claims
before Armenia such as not to raise the question of Genocide moreover in the
Diaspora. Yet K. Manoyan is sure that no government of our country can agree
not to raise the land problem.

In a word, it is Turkish present and previous governments' fault that today
there are no diplomatic relations between the two countries as they haven't
tried to change their hostile towards us Armenians. Hayk Demoyan is also
sure that Armenian-Turkish relation look like an unrealized dialogue the
Turkish society is not ready to. As he said Turkish tour guides tell foreign
tourists in Ani that the nation who created that culture doesn't exist any
longer whereas Armenia and Armenians live several hundred kilometers from
Ani. /Panorama.am/

[Armenoid]

Oh - my - God, how sad, how pathetic, how disgusting...

Sorry Hovik, but this is too much. You can ban me if you want, I will take the ban with pride knowing that I am not accepted in this filthy and disgusting environment. I would much rather embrace a barbarian Turk than any low-life filth who finds the xxxx posted above funny or real. This brings utter shame to our people - living and dead.

I fully understand now why our great war heros had to first spill Armenian blood before they turned their attention on to the enemy. This self-hating mentality is the reason why we lost so much. I have one comment to make to anyone who defends this filth: May the souls of our martyrs curse you and your vile off-springs - for 'you' are far worst then the enemy.

Thank you little one for posting that garbage, you just reminded me why I have always felt disgusted when around "bolsahais."

[Reincarnated Am]

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I am not a Tashnaktsagan but I will consider this as an insult to every Armenian.

That is very degrading and low,
I am taking back my “BRAVO”, you don’t deserve it

[Kharpert]

All right, all right, I sincerly apologize. You're right, that wasn't appropriate.

I didn't make that file, but I didn't think anyone would take it so seriously.

I'm very sorry.

[Reincarnated Am]

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Thank you for doing so

[Gavur]

Then who made it?
Because it was very self-degrading

[Kharpert]

It was made by a group of students at an Armenian school who were tired of the constant bickering between the Administration and the students.

Oh, and Armenoid, I'm not bolsahye. I respected your concern and removed the file, now step off the soapbox.