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Thanks for the review, hitite.
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hittite first thank you for the movie review, and as I said the clear anti-semitism just might hurt Turkey in Israel.
Fine prove it. Give me a massacre of the current Iraq War ok. Give me a situation when American Soldiers where sent out on a mission just to kill children.Originally posted by hititeDo you ever watch the news or get "American History 101" lessons
Seems like you're watching too much FOX news.
Give me some examples of that happening in Iraq.
The American Army accidently kills civilians, it is called collateral damage and it happens in every war, I know for a fact that it happened in the Greco-Turkish war of the 1920s.
Oh and just so you know I am Greek, I don't even have access to Fox News, unless you care to find the Greek Section of Fox News (Which doesn't exist).
Sorry for going hard on you, but I do not have any tolerance for mindless generic statements, think for yourself. Go find a mission when American Soldiers in Iraq were sent to kill thousands of civilians as their mission.
To Freedom and anybody who thinks like him.
Nobody in the world helps defeatists. You have decided America will not recognize the Armenian Genocide? Fine enjoy your self fullfilling prophecy, however enough pressure, and enough educating the American People about the Armenian Genocide will make it happen.Comment
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Originally posted by Gondorian
American people at the begning of the last centurey were the first people to support the Armenians, and to call the Allies to reach out to the Armenians who were being massacred in the Ottoman Empire during WWI... They formed many relief organizations to help the orphaned, starving and devestated Armenian people ...
The United States Senate had already recognized the Armenian Genocide in May 11, 1920 , Senate Resolution #359, in the 66th Congress 2nd Session.. Of course, the term Genocide wasn't coined yet, but they recognized the massive crimes against Armeinans.
The United States House Of Represantatives had already recognized The Armeinan Genocide, in September 10, 1984.. In House Joint Resolution 247, 98th Congress 2nd Session ... Recognizing "The Armenian Genocide Perpetrated in Turkey between 1915-1923"
For the Text of the resolutions, check Harut Sassounian's book The Armenian Genocide: The World Speaks Out 1915-2005 - Documents & Declarations. Page 50-51, also available in Arabic.
American presidant Ronald Regan, had recognized the Armenian Genocide, and each presidant since then, even if not using the word Genocide, recognize it as for example the last statement of George W. Bush in presidential Message: Armenian Remembrance Day, April 24 2005 he said:
"On this day, we pause in remembrance of one of the most horrible tragedies of the 20th century, the annihilation of as many as 1.5 million Armenians through forced exile and murder at the end of the Ottoman Empire. This terrible event remains a source of pain for people in Armenia and Turkey and for all those who believe in freedom, tolerance, and the dignity of every human life. I join with my fellow Americans and the Armenian community in the United States and around the world in mourning this loss of life."
Recognizing it with the definition of the Genocide, yet not using the "G" word !!
All what Armenians need now, is for USA to call Turkey to Recognize the Armenian Genocide...Comment
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Gondorian, I do not want you to get the idea that "I" am anti-American; its the film not me. However this doesn't negate the fact that stating "The US Army does not mass slaughter civilians" would even make an American red neck laugh his butt off. I do not want to give you an extensive list of American massacres like the Indians, A-Bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, numerous incidents in Vietnam etc. etc. in their short history of the world since all that is quite elementary level.Originally posted by Gondorian
Since your generalization of the Americans and their massacres limits itself with Iraq I can be even more specific and give you examples from the film. Since the killing of children and women in the film is what makes you say "The US Army does not mass slaughter civilians" it might make you happy to know that this particular event in the film is actually real. Strange huh. Around 40 people were killed and I cant believe you missed it since you probably have access to European TV and news. Help yourself:
It was actually my fault that I didnt explain this in my "petty" review of the film but 3 of the main events in the film actually took place. One is the "hood" event where Americans round up Turkish special forces in Iraq, put hoods over their heads and take them away for interrogation. This was a cause of great tension back then between the two countries and Polat, our hero, takes revenge
The second is what happened at the AbuGharib prison which I hope I do not have to give links to. The third is the killings at the wedding party.Comment
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Hitite
thanks for the review
I have not like the series of Kurtlar Dunyasi watched it a few times, I think it is the top TV program ever watched in Turkey, and the second top program watched is the Review of the same series of the previous week Thats stupid for me but those are the ratings what can you do?
I dont understand why this movie became a hughe issue( or is it?).
I know there are lots of American movies have more critical of American policies abroad. For example the movie "Platoon leader" about the vietnam war, I think has a lot worse scenes, and you know tens of thousands soldiers died there, I believe it should be more politically dividing and emotional than today.
Or the documentary movie that got OSCAR in 2003, "Fog of War" is it less critical? It is about WW-II and Vietnam but as I udnerstand that movie actually has a contemporary point of view for the ongoing war in Iraq.
Anyways the movie is just a movie, first example of a strong budget movie in Turkey. They say it was shoot in 42 days, I dont know but may be thats why it is so simplistic. In my opinion it is another holllywood action movie, which I hate. And the scenario sounds populistic(as it was in the series) to attract more audience. As I said before the series gave a very negative message that people can and should take the matters into their own hands "Save the nation" or "save the world", this is nothing but invitation for chaos.
Originally posted by hititeGondorian, I do not want you to get the idea that "I" am anti-American; its the film not me. However this doesn't negate the fact that stating "The US Army does not mass slaughter civilians" would even make an American red neck laugh his butt off. I do not want to give you an extensive list of American massacres like the Indians, A-Bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, numerous incidents in Vietnam etc. etc. in their short history of the world since all that is quite elementary level.
Since your generalization of the Americans and their massacres limits itself with Iraq I can be even more specific and give you examples from the film. Since the killing of children and women in the film is what makes you say "The US Army does not mass slaughter civilians" it might make you happy to know that this particular event in the film is actually real. Strange huh. Around 40 people were killed and I cant believe you missed it since you probably have access to European TV and news. Help yourself:
It was actually my fault that I didnt explain this in my "petty" review of the film but 3 of the main events in the film actually took place. One is the "hood" event where Americans round up Turkish special forces in Iraq, put hoods over their heads and take them away for interrogation. This was a cause of great tension back then between the two countries and Polat, our hero, takes revenge
The second is what happened at the AbuGharib prison which I hope I do not have to give links to. The third is the killings at the wedding party.Comment
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