Col. Alparslan Turkes of Turkey sign of devil

[imported_RUDO]

DO you have any information site on the Grey Wolves? I'm a westerner and it's the first time I hear about them. Not to critisize Turkish societies, these things have to be exposed if we live in light. Otherwise these things will stay hidden from us the ignorant masses and we'll live in darkness. They'll end up running our lives with their phony democratic choices (choices that don't free us).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party look at here.

[imported_RUDO]

DO you have any information site on the Grey Wolves? I'm a westerner and it's the first time I hear about them. Not to critisize Turkish societies, these things have to be exposed if we live in light. Otherwise these things will stay hidden from us the ignorant masses and we'll live in darkness. They'll end up running our lives with their phony democratic choices (choices that don't free us).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/019.html also here.If it isn't enough,inform me.This site is very informative I think.

[Kharpert]

Ummm...

elendil, every terrorist organization thinks it does what is best for its country. Al Qaeda believes it is defending the Middle East. The KKK thought it was defending the white race. ASALA thought it was protecting Armenia. How does that, in any way, excuse the organization, its members, or its actions?

[elendil]

Ummm...

elendil, every terrorist organization thinks it does what is best for its country. Al Qaeda believes it is defending the Middle East. The KKK thought it was defending the white race. ASALA thought it was protecting Armenia. How does that, in any way, excuse the organization, its members, or its actions?

Naturally any act of killing must be condemned but Grey Wolves are not a terrorist group. It is a legitimate party in Turkey which is formed of millions. Of these numbers only a few hundereds have joined killings in times of military coup. Not to mention their weapons and intelligence was provided by state. Condemn the killers I am okay with that but the rest of the people who are sipping their tea and watching TV must be left out. The point is, MHP is a nationalist party in Turkey and its members are named Grey Wolves while some of the Grey Wolves have taken part in counter-guerilla, counter terrorism and intelligence operations of the state thus have a bad name for the leftists in Turkey and foreigners. I hope I could explain..

[gilgalbiblewhee]

Look at the United States. The last election Kerry leading the Democratic party lost to Bush. But they are 9th generation cousins!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/politics/main604163.shtml

They were false choices because they not only were cousins but were part of the same secret society the Skull & Bones from the same Yale University. This organization has bought over both major U.S. parties. Both Bush and Kerry were pro-war. Either way Americans lose.

Although I'm not a 100% sure, it seems to me that all governments have swayed from serving the people.

American Aristocracy: The George Bush/John Kerry Family Tree

http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/vladtree.htm

[imported_Hellektor]

Death to Gray Wolves

The Gray Wolves are an ultra-rightwing fascist organization.
They are the pan-turkists of today.
They share the same sick dream of a great "Turan" from Finland to the wall of China. Therefore, their rule No.1 is: destroy Armenia.

It's an undeniable fact that the Turkish state is completely under Gray Wolves control.
If millions of "people" in Turkey are members of this organization, then it shows nothing's changed.
Not until pan-turkism is buried will Turkey become civilized. It's the plague that's responsible for the Armenian Genocide and the subsequent Cultural Genocide of the Armenian heritage.

It's the ideology that fabricated the fictitious "nation", artificially created in March 1918 by Nuri pasha, the half sibling of the monster Enver, who had invaded Baku, by naming the fake "nation" consisted of roaming, primitive savages: "Azeri", who had been promoted to Tatars after the region fell under Russians in the 19th century.

[elendil]

The Gray Wolves are an ultra-rightwing fascist organization.
They are the pan-turkists of today.
They share the same sick dream of a great "Turan" from Finland to the wall of China. Therefore, their rule No.1 is: destroy Armenia.

It's an undeniable fact that the Turkish state is completely under Gray Wolves control.
If millions of "people" in Turkey are members of this organization, then it shows nothing's changed.
Not until pan-turkism is buried will Turkey become civilized. It's the plague that's responsible for the Armenian Genocide and the subsequent Cultural Genocide of the Armenian heritage.

It's the ideology that fabricated the fictitious "nation", artificially created in March 1918 by Nuri pasha, the half sibling of the monster Enver, who had invaded Baku, by naming the fake "nation" consisted of roaming, primitive savages: "Azeri", who had been promoted to Tatars after the region fell under Russians in the 19th century.

We know, we know.....

[imported_Hellektor]

Something went awry... And the Turk was born

I am not a fan of Grey Wolves but that hand figure means "wolf" which stands for the legend of Turkish nation being guided by a wolf. Here is a demostration from profile I have uploaded it.

I have nothing against the sign per se.
It's also used (slightly different, no pointed muzzle) by metal fans.

However, this shows that Turkey is run by pan-turkists and pan-Turkism is far from being dead.

The story of the wolf has several variations.
One of them says a young guy with chopped off limbs was saved by a female wolf. Then they copulated and they gave birth to the Turkish tribe.

I think, since the guy had his limbs chopped off, something went literally awry and that's why the Turks have committed so many atrocities against others.

[elendil]

However, this shows that Turkey is run by pan-turkists and pan-Turkism is far from being dead.

Turkey is not run by pan-turkists only but there are indeed Pan-Turkists within the body of Turkish state.

The story of the wolf has several variations.
One of them says a young guy with chopped off limbs was saved by a female wolf. Then they copulated and they gave birth to the Turkish tribe.

Yes there are many a versions though mine is the most common one across the nation

I think, since the guy had his limbs chopped off, something went literally awry and that's why the Turks have committed so many atrocities against others.

Yes, that must be it...

[Joseph]

Naturally any act of killing must be condemned but Grey Wolves are not a terrorist group. It is a legitimate party in Turkey which is formed of millions. Of these numbers only a few hundereds have joined killings in times of military coup. Not to mention their weapons and intelligence was provided by state. Condemn the killers I am okay with that but the rest of the people who are sipping their tea and watching TV must be left out. The point is, MHP is a nationalist party in Turkey and its members are named Grey Wolves while some of the Grey Wolves have taken part in counter-guerilla, counter terrorism and intelligence operations of the state thus have a bad name for the leftists in Turkey and foreigners. I hope I could explain..

Sound just like the Dashnak party then. The Dashnaks are a legitimate political party with most members being nationalist but non-violent.