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  • #101
    These so-called Tasnak arcives are pure fantasy.The Turkish goverments position om so-called Tashnak archives can be summarized as shifting the blame of destroying the selfincrimating parts of the Ottoman archives on the Armenians as saying "missing documents? go ask the Tasnaks"and the Turks and unfortunatly some Armenians temporaly may fall for this.

    We Armenians are naturally discomforted when the unjust opposition plays the numbers game.When in reality it matters very little whether its 15K or 1.5M becuse the Genocidal intent,opportunity,motivationand capability was there that is enough to indict the responsible party(s).
    And thats all that matters the reast is a mechanical technicality used just for the sake of argueing.Besides it is laughfable to entartain any idea that suggests Tashnaks having documents that no entity has ever seen that exonarates the Genocidal Toorkish goverment at the time.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #102
      Very interesting articles Turq. Hrant Dink seems to love this country a lot more than many Turks do and I completely agree with Ethem Mahcupyan when he says "The Armenian deportation, massacres and the following Genocide strife/conflict has erected moral and spiritual barriers for both Turks and Armenians. Both communities have strayed from their historical riches and the humane beauty it shelters and have given this hostage to an ideological entity that is simplistic and superficial. Of course the official and unchanging histories are the exact opposites of each other. Armenians insist that what happened in the past was Genocide and the Turks insist that it was not. I wonder what the logic is behind this words being in the forefront so much"

      I totally agree that this whole issue should be brought down to a more humane level rather than keeping it on the cold edifice of parliaments and governments. It has not worked until today neither for Turks nor Armenians. It all shows that policies carried out until today have amounted to nothing.

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      • #103
        Dear Armenian communities, you were never a nation or had been a country in the past history, do you ever wonder why? there is 1 other race like you and that is the kurds and look how the emperialist forces are trying so hard to give them land too. It is called the victimization of the ego, get over it and continue with your real lives. Will America admit it is slaughtering Iraqis, will UK admit it has colognized half of the world so whats your problem. But history will give the Armenians the best lesson and they will dissapear forever.

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        • #104
          Originally posted by mukedo
          Dear Armenian communities, you were never a nation or had been a country in the past history, do you ever wonder why? there is 1 other race like you and that is the kurds and look how the emperialist forces are trying so hard to give them land too.
          Dear mukedo, you seem to have no idea what you are talking about !

          I'm not going to argue with you, coz you obviously need to do a lot of reading about history (that you claim you know about)...

          Go learn you lessons and then come back to talk !

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          • #105
            Originally posted by TurQ
            Couldnt find the interview that he actually says that he asked an American Armenian historian about the number that survived the events.
            Those interviews refer to it but are not as detailed as the interview that I was talking about..

            Trying to find it..
            unitl you find that interview (which hopefully will be in English) .. Can you tell us Who is the "American Armenian Historian" who Dink asked about the Survivors ?

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            • #106
              As far as I remember Dink did not want to disclose his name.

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              • #107
                As far as I remember Dink did not want to disclose his name
                And we supposed to believe him ?

                The fact this this scholar is Armenian or not does not make him trustworthy just because his ethnicity...

                What makes any scholar trustworthy is the evidences he provide to prove his argument.

                If any Historian had told him that, it won't be a secret coz it could be found in the books and articles wrote by him... So what's the point of hiding his Name ?

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                • #108
                  I think he is not hiding, as I understand he does not want to engage in direct confrontation.


                  Originally posted by maral_m79
                  And we supposed to believe him ?

                  The fact this this scholar is Armenian or not does not make him trustworthy just because his ethnicity...

                  What makes any scholar trustworthy is the evidences he provide to prove his argument.

                  If any Historian had told him that, it won't be a secret coz it could be found in the books and articles wrote by him... So what's the point of hiding his Name ?

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                  • #109
                    Maral
                    I found the articles about Dink speaking with the Armenian Historian. it is in Turkish. Today I might not have the time to process and post it. EIther later today or tomorrow.



                    Originally posted by maral_m79
                    And we supposed to believe him ?

                    The fact this this scholar is Armenian or not does not make him trustworthy just because his ethnicity...

                    What makes any scholar trustworthy is the evidences he provide to prove his argument.

                    If any Historian had told him that, it won't be a secret coz it could be found in the books and articles wrote by him... So what's the point of hiding his Name ?

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                    • #110
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      Maral
                      I found the articles about Dink speaking with the Armenian Historian. it is in Turkish. Today I might not have the time to process and post it. EIther later today or tomorrow.
                      Thanks, I appreciate it

                      I think he is not hiding, as I understand he does not want to engage in direct confrontation
                      With whom ?

                      Don't you think that when someone have the guts to say 1915 was a "Genocide" while he is IN TURKEY, would be bold enough to face any confrontation ?

                      When he don't mind confronting the Turkish authorities for saying what he believes in , do you think that he will mind confronting some American Armenian Historian ?

                      I don't know, I'm not convinced ... You know why ? Because there are only a handful of American Armenian Historians, names can be easily counted ... unlike what most people think they are really few... I for one, have read works of almost all of them concerning the number of victims of the Armenian Genocide... trust me, the most notable of them DO NOT give a 100% sure number, of all what I read they use the term (estemate) and the numbers they estemate varies from 1.2 - 1.5 million.

                      And ALL OF THEM KNOW the fact that "as far as the International Law concerned, the number of victims DO NOT decide whether it was a Genocide or not." ... That's why I found what Dink said "Strange" !!

                      Because when a Historian publically in his work make it clear that he know that number of victims won't affect the fact of Genocide, there is no way that he will "privately" state that "we know the number is less but we stick to the 1.5 million thesis" or something like that !

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