Throw Turkey out of Eurovision

[imported_Fadix]

I visited the Turkish euvosion site, I registered in their forum and posted in the English section.

This was actually what happened, yesterday I registered the login Growup, I started reading the thread about Armenia, you can not view the threads if you are not loged in. I have read the worst junk ever, bunch of racist and immature kids. 10 minute after I was viewing the site, the site was shut down for hours, when it was on again, I tried login I could not, they have reset my password but were too dumb to change my email address so I requested a reset to be emailed to me with w confirmation code.

I then posted something, I didn't even talked about the genocide, nothing about this but rather criticised the site heavily, they have deleted the entire thread about Armenia as a result of my answer.

I don't the administrator is older than 16, if he is, he really has serious psychiatric issues.

[imported_Fadix]

The suckers just banned my IP address..., I propose an invasion.

[Jooboian]

They have established important and magnificinet states. It is your problem of being ignorant.

Sure their Armenian culture was part of it, their bringing up what they have learned from their families definetly part of their talent. But they were the sons of Ottoman/Istanbul culture. Like everyone else they were part of that culture and took lots of things from that culture as well as they have contributed it. And they are not the only architects in Ottoman state.

People like you who have this particular type of inferiority complex can only claim that ALMOST everything we have is of Armenian origin.

Turks established nothing, magnificent or otherwise. Everything they have has been stolen from other people. All someone has to do is look at any tourism brochure for turkey and they can see the handiwork and talents of the turks, because turks are not builders, they are destroyers. Ever hear of the expression, "Grass never grows where the turkish hoof has trod"? Ask yourself why there is such an expression. At one time they used to be flourishing centers of civilization until the turks got there and destroyed everything. Those are now a reminder of what turkish "culture" really is.

There's no such thing as "Ottoman/Istambul culture". It's the turks who have an inferiority complex and that's why they have to pretend they created, invented and built things that were in fact done by others. The turks were stupid enough to claim that the architect for some famous mosques (I can't remember which ones) was a turk and they got laughed at because everyone knew that he was Armenian. At some museum in Van, they have a bronze helmet that is definately Armenian but the turks claim it's Mongolian and this turkish BS can be found on the net as well as a picture of the helmet.



The Van cat isn't turkish either.

I few years ago there was a turkish exhibition in Ottawa and of all places at the Museum of Civilization. I didn't go, but our priest had gone and he told me that just about everything on exhibit was non-turkish in origin yet the information provided was claiming they were turkish. So he spent the day educating the visitors on the true origins of the pieces whether they were Armenian, Greek, Byzantine or whatever. The "inferiority complexed" turks in charge of the exhibition were getting pissed off because they obviously couldn't tell him to shut up and told him to leave because he had been there for a long time, but he refused to leave and said he was going to stay as long as he wants because he paid the admission and if he felt like it, he would be back the next day too.

As for the supposed turkish culture, the turks don't have one and they never did. It was one of your sultans that knew the turks had no culture, so he had commissioned non-turks from all over the empire to develop all kinds of things from food to art to music etc etc etc for the ottoman empire so the turks could also claim to be a cultured people like everyone else.

[TurQ]

Nlw the Van cat isnt Turkish

You guys re something, assigning ethnicity to cats

OK now Van cats are officially on Turkish soil, and they are Turkish.

Are you gonna attempt to convert our cats as well?

If you are ignorant about Turkish history and Turkish states thats again your problem of inferiority complex.

Tell your priest to come visit musuems in Turkey, their origin is mentioned.

We do not say there was no other cultures have lived in Anatolia before. Yes you can find lots of things from earlier ages. So again what?

Van Cat is Armenian?

Turks established nothing, magnificent or otherwise. Everything they have has been stolen from other people. All someone has to do is look at any tourism brochure for turkey and they can see the handiwork and talents of the turks, because turks are not builders, they are destroyers. Ever hear of the expression, "Grass never grows where the turkish hoof has trod"? Ask yourself why there is such an expression. At one time they used to be flourishing centers of civilization until the turks got there and destroyed everything. Those are now a reminder of what turkish "culture" really is.

There's no such thing as "Ottoman/Istambul culture". It's the turks who have an inferiority complex and that's why they have to pretend they created, invented and built things that were in fact done by others. The turks were stupid enough to claim that the architect for some famous mosques (I can't remember which ones) was a turk and they got laughed at because everyone knew that he was Armenian. At some museum in Van, they have a bronze helmet that is definately Armenian but the turks claim it's Mongolian and this turkish BS can be found on the net as well as a picture of the helmet.



The Van cat isn't turkish either.

I few years ago there was a turkish exhibition in Ottawa and of all places at the Museum of Civilization. I didn't go, but our priest had gone and he told me that just about everything on exhibit was non-turkish in origin yet the information provided was claiming they were turkish. So he spent the day educating the visitors on the true origins of the pieces whether they were Armenian, Greek, Byzantine or whatever. The "inferiority complexed" turks in charge of the exhibition were getting pissed off because they obviously couldn't tell him to shut up and told him to leave because he had been there for a long time, but he refused to leave and said he was going to stay as long as he wants because he paid the admission and if he felt like it, he would be back the next day too.

As for the supposed turkish culture, the turks don't have one and they never did. It was one of your sultans that knew the turks had no culture, so he had commissioned non-turks from all over the empire to develop all kinds of things from food to art to music etc etc etc for the ottoman empire so the turks could also claim to be a cultured people like everyone else.

[TurQ]

Thats why we do not think he is a reliable source Morgenthau becaue of his own grudge, hatred and prejuidice against Turkish people.

Ambassador Henry Morgenthau's assessment of Turkish culture.

He wrote : "Such graces of civilization as the Turk has acquired in five centuries have practically all been taken from the subject peoples whom he so greatly despises. His religion comes from the Arabs; his language has acquired a certain literary value by borrowing certain Arabic and Persian elements; and his writing is Arabic. Constantinople's finest architectural monument, the Mosque of St. Sophia, was originally a Christian church, and all so-called Turkish architecture is derived from the Byzantine. The mechanism of business and industry has always rested in the hands of the subject peoples, Greeks, Jews, Armenians, and Arabs. The Turks have learned little of European art or science, they have established very few educational institutions, and illiteracy is the prevailing rule,"

[TurQ]

Yurt was last used around some 1000 years ago may be(if not before).

Turks were nomads before Islam, and I dont think what's again the point. Seljukis, Karahanlis GAznelis and Ottomans were not nomads. Ottomans dominated the world not only in terms of politically but also culturally for centuries. Remember Armenians were part of Ottoman culture, they enjoyed this domination as well.

When Europe plunged into darkness Ottoman nation lived far better conditions
than Europeans.
Go learn some history.

Ottomans were pretty much diverse nation, 26 different nations lived under Ottomans, Turks being one of them. So interaction and cultural mixture was a fact and in my opinion it was a magnificent experience that the Ottomans had.

As far as the architecture concerned, I recommend you Goodfrey Goodwin's books
I had taken architecture history class from him during my college days in Istanbul. He recently passed away a true gentelman and
lover of architectural history

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080181202X/sr=8-8/qid=1144285973/ref=sr_1_8/103-7459478-0937420?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-7459478-0937420?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Goodwin+godfrey&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

TURKISH ARCHITECTURE

Turkish* Yurt:

Bear and horse skin make up the walls and most of the interior. Sitting directly in front of the yurt are two wooden staffs (sometimes metallic, depending on the owner's wealth) protruding from the ground. A dog skull on each adorns the staffs. These, contrary to popula belief, are not used as warnings or as threats. They are merely decorative furnishings. The more richer and famous Turks prefer using bear skulls but the common man usually uses the wild dog, coyote, fox, but never the wolf. In the Turkish culture it is considered sacrilage to use the wolf skull. The ancient Turks (by ancient I mean from 500 A.D.) worshipped the 'Mighty Wolf' who they claimed granted them supernatural abilities to defeat their opponents. Even though the Turks' main religion is considered Islam, much animalistic paganism (wolf worship to be exact) is found throughtout their custumes and beliefs.

So it would be considered almost heresy to behead a wolf and use it as a decorative furnishing. There is a very old Turkish tradition that states:

"If any man should kill the Mighty Grey Wolf of the Woods may his genitals be placed beneath a huge boulder for three nights. After his punishment has been served he is to be raped untill death by 5 Turkish officers."

The only allowance in Turkish Wolf furnishings is that a member of the Grey Wolves CAN decorate his yurt with a maximum of two. Since he himself is considered a leader to the wolves (human and beast variants) he has the right to duel one (the wolf) for leadership and if he is found to be the victor (by killing the wolf using teeth and nails only) he is obligated to adorn his yurt with one. At least once in a Grey Wolf leaders life a Wolf skull MUST be hung from his house.

Other characteristics of these yurts is the exclusion of toilets and rooms for bathing, unlike the Mongolian Yurts from 400 A.D. which had both.

Instead the Turkish man actually does his business on the dirt floor of the yurt. The sh*t is then left there for a minimun of one Turkish week** (which is 5 days in a normal week). The flies and filth that accumulates there is almost like a entertainment for these Turks. The Village Chieftain inspects each load to see which is filthier. The winner of the contest (the man who had the filthier sh*t) then gets the privledge of fighting a Turkish guard till the death. The only way a victor is chosen is when one man has threaded the other man's testicles.

Despite the winner, the women is forced to clean the sh*t after about 3 Turkish weeks (which consititue a Turkish month).

Now we move onto the Turkish Palace....

The Yurt Palace:

Unlike the Turkish Yurt, the Turkish Yurt Palace is more grande and spectacular to the eyes. Ignoring its wretched smell (it is TRULY wretched, the yurt smells like ass so you can can just imagine how much worse this smells!) it a the wonder of the Turkish world. The walls are made out of petrified dog sh*t (it seems there is an obsession with sh*t and wolfish animals in this culture) and monkey blood is usually thrown about the walls and floor. About every Turkish year (which is 9 Turkish months equaling a total of 135 days a Turkish year) this ritual is preformed.

The celebration is quite exquisite but also very bloody. The whole festival begins with fights to the death between Village warriors and several bears (usually 5 warriors vs. 2 bears). After the fight the remaining living warriors are instructed to have sex with the Chieftains daughter all at the same time. If the chieftain has no daughter, then a young boy takes the girl's place.

During this time, the monekys are executed in a barabarious way. The high priests crush their heads with their bare hands. They are blooded and the blood is consumed by the warriors after their rape. The rest of the blood is poured all over the palace. Then in the next 10 minutes all havoc is let loose. To please their god Allah, the Turks start killing everyone they see, not even relative are spared. After the high priest says Allah is pleased everything goes back to normal and the rest of the night is spent in raiding nearby villages and cities.

The Yurt Palace also has 4 metallic staffs with one bear on each and occasionally moneky and dog heads for extra beauty.

Inside the palace, all kinds of sick and twisted sexual perversions go on...so I will spare the reader of the horrors! My suggestion: stay the hell away from the palace, lest you be forced to take part in these things!

So there you have it. The great Turkish culture, architecture, and its people.

* Turkish yurt is actually a degraded Mongolian yurt. The Turks have never really invented anything, even the spears they occasionally use all have come into use from outside villages. The Mongolian yurt looks like a palace made of gold compared to the Turkish ones.

The Turks use their own calanders. Not much is known on why, though. Most people can't even believe these people could count, never mind make a calender!

[TurQ]

Phantom Ithought he would have understood(it is kind of a universal saying, even Greeks know it).
Yes it is not that offensive, it is more like "get a life" kind of expression.

I personally have no problem with other nations' contributions to Turkish culture. And by the way I dont thin Armenians are any other nation as well, when I thin of Ottomans I personally cant think Armenians like Serbs or Hungarians or other christian Europeans.

I still didnt visit the Eurovision website yet, probably wont Eurovision sucks, and it already turned into a comedia. There are more important contests to join. This is kind of an inferioty complex on our part to care about this kind of contests(to prove that we are modern or something?)

There are a lot of musicians in Turkey by far better than most European pop music groups.

I am sure as a musician even Hellektor is perform=ing better than those Europeans.

Hellektor, he's trying to say "Haaaa siktir", which means fuc- off. Just so you know, when you say it in Turkish, it's not as offensive as it sounds in English for some reason. You can even say it to your close friends "ha siktir ulan" and they won't be offended.

I don't think we can take credit for everything the Turks have as part of their culture and accomplishments. They took some things from others too: Greeks, Assyrians, Persians, Kurds, Arabs, etc. come to mind. It is extremely annoying, however, when Turks claim to own things they have no business claiming. For example, all of those Turks at the EuroVision websites that complain that Andre's song is actually "Ottoman" or "Turkish" are total idiots. But guess what, it doesn't hurt us when they act stupid like that. If you notice on those forums, others come to Andre's defense before even any Armenian can do it. Europeans are used to this childish and insecure behavior coming from some Turks.

[imported_Hellektor]

The turks were stupid enough to claim that the architect for some famous mosques (I can't remember which ones) was a turk and they got laughed at because everyone knew that he was Armenian.

Jooboian jan, just to refresh your memory: it's Sinan.

I keep on posting these links and no one seems to want to click them

A list of some of the contribution of the Armenians to the ungrateful savages.

Some of the mosques built by Sinan who defined the Ottoman architecture single handedly and palaces built by the Balian family who defined the Constantinople style. I've heard some of the Balians studied Ani and it influenced their architecture.

[TurQ]

Look at their eyes, they look Turkish cats, you easily identify them

THose cats are something. I have seen with my own eyes, they like the Van Lake. They go its shore taste the water, if it tastes like Van Lake they jump into water and swim. Those are real brave cats, no other cat would jump into water and swim. They wouldnt jump in if the water does not taste like Lake Van. They even eat water mellon, and they wouldnt let anybody to love them if you are a foreigner(I dont mean nonTurkish I mean if you are not the owner). They are so noble looking cats.

http://www.turkishvan.org/2004%20best%20of%20breed.htm

http://www.turkishvan.org/

The Van cat isn't turkish either.

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[TurQ]

Yes we indeed had something like chinese calender used widely in preislamic era. You can also see some of those calnders on the walls of early Seljuki buildings in Anatolia.

Can you ask that question to Chinesem cause that clander was much like Chinese kind of calnder, i forgot the name was it "sun calnder"?
Sorry it was quite w while we Turks have not use it, sorry. What was the calnder that ou guys used in 9th century can you remember?

TURKISH ARCHITECTURE

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The Turks use their own calanders. Not much is known on why, though. Most people can't even believe these people could count, never mind make a calender!