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    Hello -- I have a question

    Hello,

    I would like to ask you what do Armenians want from Turkey?
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    Originally posted by Behcet
    Hello,

    I would like to ask you what do Armenians want from Turkey?
    There is no one answer to that questions and you're certainly not the first Turk who has asked it on this forum and I am almost certain of the pattern of your future repsonses but I will answer you anyhow.
    Personally, I want just acknowledgement of what happened. For Turkey to stop looking at the past with rose tinted lenses and understand whether they are willing to call it genocide or not, they decimated a group of people from their own homeland and they will never be able to return, that thousands of years of history, that the place where our church, language, and culture was born has been ripped from us. (Armenians are not the only ones, this happened to the Assyrians too)
    I know this cannot happen overnight and am encouraged that there are those who are now questioning what happened in Turkey.
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #3
      they decimated a group of people from their own homeland and they will never be able to return,

      I disagree. turkey must pay reparations and return all Armenian land.

      According to the Treaty of Sevres.

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      • #4
        Personally, I want just acknowledgement of what happened.
        You want aknologement of "what happened"? Or you want it called genocide?

        Assuming we aknowlege exactly what Armenians say happenned, then what?

        Maggie's demands?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Behcet
          You want aknologement of "what happened"? Or you want it called genocide?

          Assuming we aknowlege exactly what Armenians say happenned, then what?

          Maggie's demands?
          Although I would like it to be acknowledged as genocide, I realize it won't happen over night. After an acknowledgement, which I believe will occur eventually, we can find ways to move on. At the moment, Armenians have no way to move forward with Turks on a normal basis because they have no reason to trust Turkish intentions. It's impossible to reconcile with you people who deny what happened to you, it's as if they deny our existence and we are some how erased which in my mind is a the deepest of hatreds.

          What do you want Behcet?
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            After an acknowledgement, which I believe will occur eventually, we can find ways to move on.
            How?

            At the moment, Armenians have no way to move forward with Turks on a normal basis because they have no reason to trust Turkish intentions.
            And we have reason to trust Armenian intention? Armenia does not recognise Turkish territorial integrity and refuses to ratify the Lusane treaty.

            Of coarse we'll be defensive. We don't trust Armenian intentions.

            It's impossible to reconcile with you people who deny what happened to you, it's as if they deny our existence and we are some how erased which in my mind is a the deepest of hatreds.
            I want to have good relations with Armenians, but we have no reason to believe that Armenians will stop comming after us if we aknowlege what you say happenned to you. So resistance is a very natural reaction on our part. I don't think Armenians would do any different if roles were reversed.

            What do you want Behcet?
            A lot of things, but from Armenians, nothing.
            Armenians want something from Turks. I want you to put it on the table and explain to me exactly what.

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            • #7
              Behcet, you should remember that in the Treaty of Laussane, the Armenians are not even mentioned, and therefore there is no point in Armenia recognizing that treaty. The only territorial integrity there is between Turkey and Armenia is a gigantic fence with guards.

              And if you're curious as to "how" we can move on, it is possible to restart relations with Turkey, which is what the state of Armenia officially supports. But Armenia can't do that until Turkey recognizes the Armenian Genocide! Every political or economic issue between Armenia and Turkey is dead in the water until the Genocide issue is resolved.

              What do we want? Before anything, this is the first:
              Recognition of the Armenian Genocide

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Behcet
                Hello,

                I would like to ask you what do Armenians want from Turkey?

                ...moistness, flavor, enough for everyone...I actually enjoy the sides more - especially cranberries and the wine of course...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Behcet
                  How?

                  And we have reason to trust Armenian intention? Armenia does not recognise Turkish territorial integrity and refuses to ratify the Lusane treaty.

                  Of coarse we'll be defensive. We don't trust Armenian intentions.


                  I want to have good relations with Armenians, but we have no reason to believe that Armenians will stop comming after us if we aknowlege what you say happenned to you. So resistance is a very natural reaction on our part. I don't think Armenians would do any different if roles were reversed.



                  A lot of things, but from Armenians, nothing.
                  Armenians want something from Turks. I want you to put it on the table and explain to me exactly what.

                  I am not sure how and don't ever believe relations will be characterized as "good". We'll have to see.

                  For some Armenians the intention is reparations and for some it is an apology. And although a big noise is always made about Armenia supossedly not recognizing Turkish territorial integrity, do Turks actually believe Armenia will demand territory? Turkey doesn't recognize the extermentation of Armenians from Anatolia so to the Armenians it will always seem that the Turkish intention is to cover up a crime. This whole situation reminds me of a girl being raped and then she is asked by the rapists family in the most audacious manner to forgive the rapist and let the past be the past.

                  In any event the diaspora may or may not ever stop "coming at Turkey" but what does it matter? They are a diaspora community and not Armenia.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kharpert
                    he only territorial integrity there is between Turkey and Armenia is a gigantic fence with guards.
                    Exactly, and Armenians seem to be just fine with that. So you should be fine with us and our politics as well. And if Armenia is not fine, than she should immediately recognise Turkish territorial integrity without any pre-conditions.

                    And if you're curious as to "how" we can move on, it is possible to restart relations with Turkey, which is what the state of Armenia officially supports. But Armenia can't do that until Turkey recognizes the Armenian Genocide! Every political or economic issue between Armenia and Turkey is dead in the water until the Genocide issue is resolved.
                    We can also use exactly same argument for the Karabag issue and Armenian recognition of Turkish territory.

                    What do we want? Before anything, this is the first:
                    Recognition of the Armenian Genocide
                    Ok what else? Turkey wants to close this issue, but we cannot do so with threats and being forced. Besides for us to truly move towards reconciliation with Armenians we have to trust Armenian intention.

                    I think Maggie gave an honest answer personally. I think Armenian Nationalists think exactly same. I think Armenian Nationalists are the ones who call the shots in Armenia anyway, and you say you want relations with Turkey? I think you want relations on your terms and that's it.

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