Hello -- I have a question

[Gavur]

Get this through your head!
We're not Turks and we're not Muslim we don't demand you submit only to our terms.Don't project your races traits on us.
The submission that your being forced to feel is not from us it is your govermenyts mastyerfull brush that painted you in to that corner, not us.

[Tongue]

Bacet, Turkey will have to pay reparations.. (monetary - to victims' families) why? Because that's the law. If you kill someone, you pay for it (going to jail is paying for it, but I don't think we're gonna be jailing Turkey so Turkey has to find other ways to pay for it). You kill 1.5 million, take over their lands and property that they owned and once paid for, you return it or pay for it. For every blood you shed, there's a price you need to pay. Germany is still paying Holocaust survivors reparations.. billions of dollars so far. Why should Turkey be any different?

Now, as far as lands go.. I personally don't think it's realistic. I think we should try to make the best out of what we already got and we're doing exactly that. Israel is way smaller than Armenia.. and they're a VERY powerful country.. so I don't think it's about lands.

But monetary, most definitely.

[Behcet]

I am not sure how and don't ever believe relations will be characterized as "good". We'll have to see.

For some Armenians the intention is reparations and for some it is an apology.

What is an appology? "We are sorry for genociding you?" That's it?
That's easy. Who wins between the reparations and the apology? Also, what exactly is reperations? Germany paid out some 90 billion+ USD and they are still paying with no end in sight. Is this what we have to look forward to if we are forced to pay? We would never be able to afford it.

I think when Armenians talk about reperations, they are talking about land anyway. You know that Turkey is not a rich country, but land creates wealth.

And although a big noise is always made about Armenia supossedly not recognizing Turkish territorial integrity, do Turks actually believe Armenia will demand territory?

Yes. Turks believe that. If not then Armenia should just do it. Think about it, you could eliminate one of the reasons that Turkey uses against Armenia.

In any event the diaspora may or may not ever stop "coming at Turkey" but what does it matter? They are a diaspora community and not Armenia.

The Diaspora community supports Armenia. And Armenia herself can does not recongnise Turkish territorial integrity. I don't think you can argue against me here.

[Behcet]

Because that's the law.

Who's law?

Israel is way smaller than Armenia.. and they're a VERY powerful country.. so I don't think it's about lands.

I'll answer this and more of your post. But first please answer my question about who's law.

Thank you.

[1.5 million]

I don't think you can argue against me here.

Yeah hard to argue with the insane and or with self-decieved pathological liers...logic doesn't much work...

[Tongue]

Who's law?

I don't know who law is, law is not a person.. but if you mean "whose law" , then:


Law concerning genocides. The word "genocide" has consequences - reparation being one. Main reason why Turkey insists on playing word games and prefers to call it "massacres"!

[Hovik]

Behcet,

Let me ask you a question...

Are you saying the Armenian Genocide never happend?

[Behcet]

I don't know who law is, law is not a person.. but if you mean "whose law" , then:


Law concerning genocides. The word "genocide" has consequences - reparation being one. Main reason why Turkey insists on playing word games and prefers to call it "massacres"!

Yes thanks for the correction but I'm sorry you still didn't answer the question. When I think of law I think of state authorities making laws and laws are enforced by police and courts.

So again, 'whose' law? That is, what is the body that made this law, and what body is to enforce this law?

Behcet,

Let me ask you a question...

Are you saying the Armenian Genocide never happend?

I don't from exactly which wording you are assuming that. I never said anything one way or the other.

[Tongue]

Yes thanks for the correction but I'm sorry you still didn't answer the question. When I think of law I think of state authorities making laws and laws are enforced by police and courts.

So again, 'whose' law? That is, what is the body that made this law, and what body is to enforce this law?

United Nations:

Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment
of the Crime of Genocide



Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948.

Article 1
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article 3
The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article 4
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Article 5
The Contracting Parties undertake to enact, in accordance with their respective Constitutions, the necessary legislation to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention and, in particular, to provide effective penalties for persons guilty of genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3.

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

So you can see in Article 4 and 5 it talks about punishment.. However, since the Young Turks are no longer alive and can not be prosecuted, and Ataaturk a member of the Young Turks is the founding father of the modern Turkey.. reparation is the only option for punishment. Just like Germany is doing with the Jews today.

Again, the word genocide has consequences.. that's why Turkey refuses to label it a genocide - and insists on calling it a tragedy, massacre, etc. None of those words comes with a baggage you know - genocide does however.

[Hovik]

I don't from exactly which wording you are assuming that. I never said anything one way or the other.

It wasn't from your wording, it's from your overall tone. FYI, this site is for members who wish to learn about the Armenian Genocide, or share their knowledge about the Armenian Genocide. It is not for deniers to try to spread their government fed propaganda.

So, Are you here to do one of the above, to (Learn or share) information about the Armenian Genocide? If so - great! If not, go fester with the open wound better known as hold-water...