Hello -- I have a question

[TurQ]

Actually There are no Turks in the world, there is no country called TUrkey,
Ottoman empire was built by unknown individuals. Anatolia was populated by Greeks and Armenians and yeah some Kurds.

Selektor then I wonder when you say "Occupied Western Armenia" what you exactly mean, occupied by whom?

We cannot be sure of the numbers.
The reality is there are something from several hundreds of thousands to 1.7 million turkified or secret Armenians in occupied Armenia.
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[imported_Hellektor]

In fact, there could be millions of Armenian descendants who now consider themselves as the Turks.However, I dont think that one could label these people as the Armenians since the term Armenian is very much associated with Christianity and the Byzantine (Roman) heritage inherited.

It seems you didn't read carefully. I said:

You may also have more Armenian/Greek/Assyrian/Eastern European genes than Turkish and you don't even know it.

I have said a million times in this forum that race is irrelevant as far as Turks are concerned. You think like a Turk, you are a Turk. It's in the mind. It's what you believe you are.

The supposed 400,000 to 1.7 million Armenians, feel and believe they are Armenians. I also gave examples of their differences such as not being fanatical Muslims.
They generally don't intermarry with Turks.

The secret Armenians are in fact Christian Armenians that hide their identity for fear of persecution. They may or may not speak Armenian.

I lived in Europe for many years and I personally met such Armenians. In this very day and age they had lived under fear, being actual slaves of Muslim families (Turk or Kurd). They were noble people who had been well to do craftsmen in the past. They had to pretend they were Muslims. The parents of the families had Muslim names, but they had given their children Armenian names because they knew they were Armenians.
This goes on in this day and age. Believe it or not.
There is a book “Seninle Güler Yüregim”, by Kemal Yalçin that deals with the subject. Read it if you can get hold of a copy.

[imported_Hellektor]

You may also have more Armenian/Greek/Assyrian/Eastern European genes than Turkish and you don't even know it.

Finally, I dont worry if I have the Armenian genes or not, but I wonder how you would feel if you happen to know that you have some Turkish genes.

I wouldn't worry much. But I know I haven't. My acestors were never under Ottoman Tyranny.
In Iran, there's very little intermarriage between Armenians and Muslims, because of obvious cultural differences.
Unlike Turks, Iranians having thousands of years of civilization, never resorted to genocide and barbarities we suffered under Ottoman Tyranny in our own homeland.
I paste the story of the journey of my ancestors:

My own ancestors were forcefully migrated to Iran by Shah Abbas (himself of Turkish origin) in 1604, who was fighting against your ancestors. He burned the entire region to cut the supply routes thus, the advance of the Ottomans.
It's believed that out of two to three hundred thousand Armenians forcefully relocated, about half died, mostly drowning in the Arax River. However we have forgotten the dark days and since Shah Abbas settled us in an area near Isfahan and let us build a new city that the Armenians called Nor Jugha (New Julfa) in memory of their home (the one “Azeris” occupy and where they have destroyed all our traces), the Armenians flourished and were a respected minority.

[ScythianVizier]

It seems you didn't read carefully. I said:

I have said a million times in this forum that race is irrelevant as far as Turks are concerned. You think like a Turk, you are a Turk. It's in the mind. It's what you believe you are.

The supposed 400,000 to 1.7 million Armenians, feel and believe they are Armenians. I also gave examples of their differences such as not being fanatical Muslims. They generally don't intermarry with Turks.

The secret Armenians are in fact Christian Armenians that hide their identity for fear of persecution. They may or may not speak Armenian.

I lived in Europe for many years and I personally met such Armenians. In this very day and age they had lived under fear, being actual slaves of Muslim families (Turk or Kurd). They were noble people who had been well to do craftsmen in the past. They had to pretend they were Muslims. The parents of the families had Muslim names, but they had given their children Armenian names because they knew they were Armenians. This goes on in this day and age. Believe it or not. There is a book “Seninle Güler Yüregim”, by Kemal Yalçin that deals with the subject. Read it if you can get hold of a copy.

I am ethnically a Karachay-Balkar Turk, so it is normal that I think like a Turk, and race is one of the elements that every human being is related as far as racial classification are concerned.

The modern Turks are not fanatical muslims so it is hard to distinguish peoples based upon some personal observations. I know that there could be such peoples like you point out, but obviously, I believe that they are not as many as you like to envisage.

Finally, thank you for your reccomendation, I will have a look for the book you suggest.

[Mika]

First of all never compare turks and Armenians. We are different. We are natives you turks are newcomers.I do understand it is difficult for you to ecognize the reality but you must unless you wanna see the collapse of your country.A country cannot be erected on phony base.
So turks must reconcile with their past.
After all who are you to trust or mistrust Armenians?
We are the host of this land so if you wanna live in this region you must comply with the rules that we dictate.If you don't want that then go away , nobody is stopping you.



And we have reason to trust Armenian intention? Armenia does not recognise Turkish territorial integrity and refuses to ratify the Lusane treaty.

Of coarse we'll be defensive. We don't trust Armenian intentions.



I want to have good relations with Armenians, but we have no reason to believe that Armenians will stop comming after us if we aknowlege what you say happenned to you. So resistance is a very natural reaction on our part. I don't think Armenians would do any different if roles were reversed.



A lot of things, but from Armenians, nothing.
Armenians want something from Turks. I want you to put it on the table and explain to me exactly what.[/QUOTE]

[imported_RUDO]

After all who are you to trust or mistrust Armenians?
We are the host of this land so if you wanna live in this region you must comply with the rules that we dictate.If you don't want that then go away , nobody is stopping you.

Your sentences are just Turkish idioms. You seem to be a Turk. Are you?

[ScythianVizier]

Your sentences are just Turkish idioms. You seem to be a Turk. Are you?

This forum is like a masquerade, and you may never know with whom you are talking to.

[yigitp91]

by the way dont be surprised if someone hacks ur website lol

[Joseph]

by the way dont be surprised if someone hacks ur website lol

Good ahead and hack it if you can. Someone will hack a Turkish website and then what have you proven? Websites are funny that way. They can all be hacked.