General Behavior of Forum and its Members

[Varouj]

I would save a place for you at Bakirkoy mental hospital, if you like

That appears to be where you are posting from.

[Tongue]

I am Turk. I read the messages of many people and the manner of those who talks all the time in a way insulting implicitly Turks(cuz you know directly insulting is forbidden in this forum) make me feel real bad.

I don't think it's fair to make such a claim. We've had plenty of Turkish members who registered and directly or indirectly insulted the Armenian people and their country/history.
Here is a recent example:

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1479

First of all the aim of all our talkings must aim the truth. The general manner in these forum seemed to me that genocide is certain and we should not be arguing about that since this is a fact we should be talking about the additional facts about that like "did turks kill 70 million armenian or 50000?" or in which conditions did they die? My opinion is that such disputes when made on a forum would end in only hatred, nothing else. Then who will benefit from that? of course nobody.

We never said anywhere in the forum rules that you can't argue or ask questions. Debates are welcome as long as it doesn't start with a blind denial. You probably haven't spent much time reading our thread, or else you wouldn't have made such a statement. In the majority of our thread, we are discussing the genocide with our Turkish members. You are welcome to ask questions, and we'll try our best to answer them for you. But we don't allow denial - Yes. Why should we?

If the Genocide is so certain than why discuss it so much?

Apparently, the only one interested in discussing is so much is Turkey. So don't ask us why, ask your own government.

as a Turk I would like to ask you that "am I guilty to be born on this territories as a Turk? And should I be the one who has to suffer for the decisions of a sultan or a pasha or whoever(an individual or a group of people just like all of us)? What is it that is searched here? A late relief or grieve and mourn for those who has died? Cuz I must know this because it is talked in an offending way.

Did anyone accuse YOU or your friends/family of being guilty for the genocide? NO.
What do we want from your country? An official recognition! Come on now. What happend in 1915 was not a "tragedy". A tragedy is when an entire family is killed in a car accident for example. We want you to use the right term-and by doing so, respect us and our ancestors killed-when talking about the 1915. Simply put: we don't like all these stories and myth you have created and spread about the Genocide. Why from Turkey? Because Turkey the successor of the Ottoman Empire. Because Ataturk-the founder of modern Turkey- was a member of the Young Turks party-the party responsible for the Armenian genocide.

Also If Genocide is not certain than why dont you let other(genocide deniers) talk freely? Talking and thinking would harm noone or does it?

We don't? Says who? And whats McCarthy doing? Actually I've just come to realize that these few deniers out there "talking" does nothing nothing but good. Truth speaks for itself. They're just embarassing themselves, that's all. Have a look and see for yourself:

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[yeniçeri]

First when a turk guy offended armenians does it make offending a Turk in return valid and right? second Turkey is not the inheritor of Ottoman Empire. You talk about Ataturk and with little knowledge about him. We are faced with the consequences of what was done in the past many armenian hate me because I am turk. What should be more? Who said that it was tragedy? What is genocide? Why have all these bad events immigration and death has been lived? Do the things that were lived in the past fit exactly to the term genocide? And what are the characteristics of comitee of union and progress? Please why answering to these questions can somebody answer with a wider and thorough knowledge about the events and facts. It again makes me sad while talking about history some grab the only knowledge they need from ottoman history, about CUP and Atatürk

[karma]

Friends
I am Turk. I read the messages of many people and the manner of those who talks all the time in a way insulting implicitly Turks(cuz you know directly insulting is forbidden in this forum) make me feel real bad.

I've been looking over this forum for a few days and as far as i see, Armenians can be intolerant against the denial of the Armenian Genocide. Jews should also be intolerant when someone denies the WW2 Holocaust. It is very natural for the victims to be intolerant against the denial of an injustice.

We killed at least 300.000 Armenians in 1915 and for 90 years we've been refusing that it was a genocide. As an antithesis, we say that 100.000, 300.000 or 500.000 Turkish - Kurdish people were massacred by the Armenians but we do not have any proof of it. In that situation, we can only expect anger and hatred from Armenians.

I know that this anger and hatred does not help for a clear understanding of the matter for the Turkish side. But we need a clear understanding of the matter- not for the sake of Armenians, not for the sake of EU, not for the sake of the rest of the world, but for ourselves, for our self respect.

[bell-the-cat]

We killed at least 300.000 Armenians in 1915 and for 90 years we've been refusing that it was a genocide. As an antithesis, we say that 100.000, 300.000 or 500.000 Turkish - Kurdish people were massacred by the Armenians but we do not have any proof of it. In that situation, we can only expect anger and hatred from Armenians.

All good words, but you need to add a further 1,000,000 onto that "at least 300,000".

[Tongue]

First when a turk guy offended armenians does it make offending a Turk in return valid and right?

Who said it does? The rules are for everyone. We dont care about the nationality of the person.. If we see an insult, we warn the member. The second time, they're gone. It's also against the rule to question the actions of the moderators.

second Turkey is not the inheritor of Ottoman Empire.

Who is? enlighten us.

You talk about Ataturk and with little knowledge about him.

I only wrote one sentence about Ataturk. Which was, he was the founder of modern Turkey and a member of the Young Turks - the party responsible for the Armenian Genocide. Tell me which part in incorrect.

We are faced with the consequences of what was done in the past many armenian hate me because I am turk.

an Armenian can also say Turks hate me because I'm Armenian. What is your point?

What should be more? Who said that it was tragedy?

I believe your government (as well as president Bush ) refers to the genocide as the Armenian "tragedy".

What is genocide?

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a) Killing members of the group - APPLIES.
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group - APPLIES.
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group- APPLIES.

So you tell me, was it a genocide?

Why have all these bad events immigration and death has been lived? Do the things that were lived in the past fit exactly to the term genocide?

I just answered that for you.

It again makes me sad while talking about history some grab the only knowledge they need from ottoman history, about CUP and Atatürk

I'm also sad to see that many Turks are in the dark about the 1915.

[Hovik]

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

This one applies too. During the Genocide Turks would sharpen sticks and tie them in the form of a crucifix and force pregnant Armenian women to impale themselves with the sharp end killing their unborn children. I believe this is also noted in Donita Dyers book "The Brides Escape" by an eyewitness.

They'd slice them from their mothers wombs and stab them on the death marches.

Note: Don't forget Azeris sliced unborn Armenian chidren from their mothers wombs and threw them from the maternity ward windows in the hospitals of Baku during the pogroms only a little over 15 years ago...

[Hovik]

All good words, but you need to add a further 1,000,000 onto that "at least 300,000".

Perhaps they meant "in 1915" as was said... just an idea.

[yeniçeri]

Tongue you should keep in mind the fact that Turkey is the inheritor of ottomans as far as armenians are. Also that ottoman empire was a multinational empire just like all the other empires suffering from french revolution ideas increasing peripheral tendencies and at that time fighting a war destined to lose. While talking so strictly about history one should know exactly the facts about the time and also environment of the time many people just say armenians were killed giving numbers of people that die at that time. If we are to observe historical events and also if we are to make a conclusion about armenian case we all should then know the situation of ottoman empire at 1915. Can you define me the position of Ottoman empire in 1915?

[Bulgarian]

Tongue you should keep in mind the fact that Turkey is the inheritor of ottomans as far as armenians are. Also that ottoman empire was a multinational empire just like all the other empires suffering from french revolution ideas increasing peripheral tendencies and at that time fighting a war destined to lose. While talking so strictly about history one should know exactly the facts about the time and also environment of the time many people just say armenians were killed giving numbers of people that die at that time. If we are to observe historical events and also if we are to make a conclusion about armenian case we all should then know the situation of ottoman empire at 1915. Can you define me the position of Ottoman empire in 1915?

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