OMG Turkey is starting to panic

[imported_Hellektor]

Let me start by responding to the final part of your response.

I) I did not cut and paste any unrelated material, neither when replying to you nor anywhere else.

II) I never replaced Turk with Armenian, even though I pointed to some similarities in our mentalities in some previous postings of mine.

III) I explicitly stated in my previous postings that you have a natural unalienable right to be more sensitive about the suffering of Armenians', simply because you are Armenian as well. The same is true for me regarding the suffering of Turks. As long as we do not turn a blind eye to other attrocities, there is nothing wrong with being more sensitive about one's own nationality. How does this acknowledging statement taunt you with being insensitive toward other attrocities? Give me a break!

IV)Here I am, responding!


About the Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians who won their independence, I do not see them any different from Armenians. The only difference is that your irredentist mentality prevents you from seing the fact that the short independece of Armenia (1918-1920) was violated by the U.S.S.R, not by Turkey. What you call 'the freedom of Armenia', is nothing but chauvinistic gibberish, which aims to expand the already free Armenia.

About the Moors in Spain, you may have some validity when you refer to the proto-nations theory, but this does not explain the French attrocities against Heugenots, who were as French as their persecutors, only Protestants. You seem to acknowledge this vaguely, but you miss the big point that these people were annihilated and uprooted five centuries ago, while your hated Ottomans welcomed (Jews) and tolerated minorities.

About the poor Armenians who had to march the Syrian desert, I totally agree with you that they were not armed, and were mostly women, elderly, and children. The Ottoman Armenian men, on the other hand, were either serving patrioticly in the Ottoman Army, or serving treacherously in the Russian Army, or involving in guerilla warfare against Ottoman troops. There is a big dispute about who constituted the majority among these three groups, but it is an undisputed fact that all three groups were significant in numbers

About the destruction of Armenian monuments in Turkey, I told you that it was a shame, and that the process is being stopped and reversed now. You may cuss, comment, and hiss about why Turkey is doing the right thing now, but this does not change the fact that Turkey is currently doing its best to preserve Armenian churches and monuments.

Finally, I urge you to come up with any books or documents which prove that Eastern Turkey had an Armenian majority population prior to 1915, which could substantiate your claim that 'your homeland was lost due to genocide'. With the exception of downtown Van, Armenians constituted a minority (however a sizeable one, between 20 to 35 percent) in the Six Vilayets, and all historians confirm that. In other words, Armenians lived as a minority in Ottoman Empire, even in the regions you call as Armenia, they have been a minority for several centuries. You can get mad about it, cuss, swear, threaten, or mock, but this won't help you find one scientific source which shows that Armenians constituted a majority in Eastern Anatolia in 1915, 1815, 1715, or 1615. And if you hate Turks because sometime between eleventh and fourteenth century they rendered you a minority in your 'homeland', there is simply no cure for your disease.

"Let me start by responding to the final part of your response" and get it over with because you are simply circumventing my replies. I have answered all your questions in my previous posts. I'll repeat the following two quotes for the nth time and basta:

Jean Baptiste Tavernier, who traveled six times in the East in the period of 1632-1668 wrote in his notes that "the land stretching from Tokat to Tabriz is almost exclusively inhabited by Christians and this region used to be part of the Armenian Kingdom...That's why it's not surprising to come across fifty Armenians for every single Muslim".

Reis Efendi in his Risalesi, the official report for the Ottoman Ministry of Interior, prepared in 1778-1780, wrote that "the Armenians are the most numerous reaya-population in the Ottoman State". In numbers it should lie somewhere between 2.5 to 3 million, since the Greek population at the time must have been over 2 million.

I regret that I have to make the "Eastern Anatolian" bet I usually do with lost causes, because you made me. Don't be offended, it's just a bet.

I also regret that I have to include my debrainwashing homework. repeat the following a hundred times a day you may be cured someday:

Debrainwashing lesson number 1: Armenia Not Anatolia (17824)

Armenia is not Anatolia.
Including Armenia in Anatolia is a post 1923 Kemal ordered lie.
Calling Armenia "Eastern Anatolia" is a post 1923 Kemal ordered lie.
Armenia was NEVER part of Anatolia.
Armenia is OUTSIDE Anatolia.
Anatolia is OUTSIDE Armenia.
Armenia has NEVER been inside Anatolia.
Armenia has ALWAYS been outside Anatolia.
Anatolia has NEVER included Armenia.
Anatolia excludes Armenia.
Armenia is excluded from Anatolia.
Armenia and Anatolia are excluded from one another.
Armenia and Anatolia are not included in the same region.
Armenian western border touches the eastern border of Anatolia.
Anatolian eastern border touches the western border of Armenia.
When you are inside Anatolia you are OUTSIDE Armenia.
When you are inside Armenia you are OUTSIDE Anatolia.
Armenia and Anatolia are not the same.
Anatolia and Armenia are not the same.
Armenia and Anatolia are two DISTINCT geographical regions.

Map (detail) done by the German cartographer H. Kiepert in 1872



Find a country named "Azerbaijan" north of the Arax or an "Eastern Anatolia" and win $million$



Philippe Buache, Map of Armenia 1783 (detail)
Armenia is called Eden, where terrestrial paradise used to be...

Click on the maps for a larger image.

Babylonian Clay Tablet 600 BC

Babylonian Clay Tablet 600 BC Interpreted

Ptolemy Tabvla nova Asia Minoris 1513

Sebastian Munster Asia Minor 1544

Philippe de La Rue: Asia Minor 1652 (Section)

Frederik de Wit Nova Persiae Armeniae Natoliae et Arabiae 1662

Reconstruction of Ashkharhatsouits, see for yourself how much of Armenia the bogus country is occupying, yet the sore losers demand land!

[Vogelgrippe]

"Let me start by responding to the final part of your response" and get it over with because you are simply circumventing my replies. I have answered all your questions in my previous posts. I'll repeat the following two quotes for the nth time and basta:

Jean Baptiste Tavernier, who traveled six times in the East in the period of 1632-1668 wrote in his notes that "the land stretching from Tokat to Tabriz is almost exclusively inhabited by Christians and this region used to be part of the Armenian Kingdom...That's why it's not surprising to come across fifty Armenians for every single Muslim".

Reis Efendi in his Risalesi, the official report for the Ottoman Ministry of Interior, prepared in 1778-1780, wrote that "the Armenians are the most numerous reaya-population in the Ottoman State". In numbers it should lie somewhere between 2.5 to 3 million, since the Greek population at the time must have been over 2 million.

I regret that I have to make the "Eastern Anatolian" bet I usually do with lost causes, because you made me. Don't be offended, it's just a bet.

I also regret that I have to include my debrainwashing homework. repeat the following a hundred times a day you may be cured someday:

Debrainwashing lesson number 1: Armenia Not Anatolia (17824)

Armenia is not Anatolia.
Including Armenia in Anatolia is a post 1923 Kemal ordered lie.
Calling Armenia "Eastern Anatolia" is a post 1923 Kemal ordered lie.
Armenia was NEVER part of Anatolia.
Armenia is OUTSIDE Anatolia.
Anatolia is OUTSIDE Armenia.
Armenia has NEVER been inside Anatolia.
Armenia has ALWAYS been outside Anatolia.
Anatolia has NEVER included Armenia.
Anatolia excludes Armenia.
Armenia is excluded from Anatolia.
Armenia and Anatolia are excluded from one another.
Armenia and Anatolia are not included in the same region.
Armenian western border touches the eastern border of Anatolia.
Anatolian eastern border touches the western border of Armenia.
When you are inside Anatolia you are OUTSIDE Armenia.
When you are inside Armenia you are OUTSIDE Anatolia.
Armenia and Anatolia are not the same.
Anatolia and Armenia are not the same.
Armenia and Anatolia are two DISTINCT geographical regions.

Hey man, I have to disappoint you again! I responded, and started with your final part of your response. But then, I did not skip anything and responded to all other parts of your posting. Why are you not being more specific?

Do you live on another planet? I have 70 or so postings on this forum, so let me challenge you with a real bet. Screw me if you can point to any posting of mine where I deny that Eastern Anatolia of today was also called Armenia on historical maps, or that Azerbaijan was historically south of Arax river. Alternatively, Screw you if you cannot find any posting of mine where I explicitly or implicitly deny the historical existence of Armenia on what is today Eastern Turkey, or deny the historical location of Azerbaijan.

Therefore your proposed bet is as irrelevant to me as proposing ‘Screw you if you cannot correctly guess my middle name, and screw me if you guess it right’. Because you never made the claim that you can correctly guess anybody’s middle name, it would be nonsense for me to take you up for it, and bet as if you had claimed the contrary. There may have been other forumists who had denied this, but I was never one of them. Understood? Probably not

About etymology and linguistics, Eastern Anatolia may mean Eastern East, Western West, Holy Cow or any other thing in any language, but we Turks call this territory Dogu Anadolu, which translates into English as Eastern Anatolia. By the same token, the territory once called Eastern Prussia is now a Polish and Russian province with a different name, and the territory called once New Amsterdam is now called New York (state), simply because the new rulers of these territories preferred to rename them.

One last thing about your ‘historical’ Armenia. If you check your avatar, and other maps which you so proudly post, there are great discrepancies about the limits of your Armenian Empire. On the maps you post, Armenia does not include any coast to the Black Sea, but on your avatar, Armenia looks as if it would truly need a navy! You guys should definitely agree on a map before you attack us and ‘liberate’ these territories, otherwise great confusion may occur

About your expert traveler Tavernier, one aspect strikes me as major bullxxxx. Even in your own maps, Tokat is never part of your historical Armenia, and Tabriz, as you know, is the main city of Iranian Azerbaijan.(and south of the Arax river as requested ha?) Obviously this is another of your great historians who claimed that Turks used to live for 300 hundred years! Now I have another excuse to make another of your-kind-of-bet, but you have had clearly enough already!

In a nutshell, until you or anyone else captures this territory 10, 100, or 1000 years later, the territory which was called Armenia in historical maps will be called Eastern Anatolia. You cannot change this fact by screwing someone or getting screwed by someone, whoever taught you this, taught you very, very wrong

[imported_Hellektor]

Screwed, Blued and Tabooed!

Hey man, I have to disappoint you again! I responded, and started with your final part of your response. But then, I did not skip anything and responded to all other parts of your posting. Why are you not being more specific?

No, you don't disappoint me, you just change the subject.

Do you live on another planet? I have 70 or so postings on this forum, so let me challenge you with a real bet. Screw me if you can point to any posting of mine where I deny that Eastern Anatolia of today was also called Armenia on historical maps, or that Azerbaijan was historically south of Arax river. Alternatively, Screw you if you cannot find any posting of mine where I explicitly or implicitly deny the historical existence of Armenia on what is today Eastern Turkey, or deny the historical location of Azerbaijan.

It was not also called. It was NEVER called "Eastern Anatolia". Calling it "Eastern Anatolia" is the continuation of the Armenian genocide because you usurped it savagely and illegally, by using genocide as the means of conquest. Therefore, you are not allowed to change the name of my homeland. The bet or the debrainwash lesson or my FUQ are for mentally challenged deniers and I regretted that since you used this offensive term, I had to put them to you who are more intelligent than that.
These are tongue-in-cheek remarks to enlighten the lost souls and you shouldn't be offended by that.

Azarbaijan is still south of the Arax River. The bogus nonentity to the north does not have the right to use and abuse the name "Azerbaijan" because it has nothing in common historically, racially, culturally, religiously with the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan/Aturpayegan).
"Azerbaijan" was artificially created on Armenian territory for pan-turkist purposes and the Ottomans who had invaded the region in 1918 led by Noori pasha, half sibling of Enver, named the bogus state "Azerbaijan" for future claims on the real Azarbaijan in order to suffocate Armenia and found the "Great" "Turan".

Therefore your proposed bet is as irrelevant to me as proposing ‘Screw you if you cannot correctly guess my middle name, and screw me if you guess it right’. Because you never made the claim that you can correctly guess anybody’s middle name, it would be nonsense for me to take you up for it, and bet as if you had claimed the contrary. There may have been other forumists who had denied this, but I was never one of them. Understood? Probably not

So where's the map with "Eastern Anatolia"?

About etymology and linguistics, Eastern Anatolia may mean Eastern East, Western West, Holy Cow or any other thing in any language, but we Turks call this territory Dogu Anadolu, which translates into English as Eastern Anatolia. By the same token, the territory once called Eastern Prussia is now a Polish and Russian province with a different name, and the territory called once New Amsterdam is now called New York (state), simply because the new rulers of these territories preferred to rename them.

Wrong, I'm still alive and I won't allow you to desecrate the name of my homeland.
You are not the new rulers of my home, you took it treacherously by means of genocide.

About your expert traveler Tavernier, one aspect strikes me as major bullxxxx. Even in your own maps, Tokat is never part of your historical Armenia, and Tabriz, as you know, is the main city of Iranian Azerbaijan.(and south of the Arax river as requested ha?) Obviously this is another of your great historians who claimed that Turks used to live for 300 hundred years! Now I have another excuse to make another of your-kind-of-bet, but you have had clearly enough already!

It's funny how FACTS disturb the Turks.
This is not the first time a Turk is pissed off by the Tavernier quote.
Man! He was there at the time and he recorded his observations.
Tokat not being on the Armenian map does not mean there were no Armenians living in Asia Minor. Tabriz used to be part of Urartu kingdom but since the Iranians are our kind brothers and despite past wars and invasions they never committed savageries of the kind Turks did against us, no, they gave us among other things, the Arshakuni dynasty and Gregory the Illuminator (who I personally don’t like because he destroyed our pagan temples) we’ll never claim any land from Iran. I, a cat lover, will not tolerate any change to the beautiful map of Iran. Caesarea and Sebastia were also mainly Armenian populated regions and we'll take those back as well in due time!

In a nutshell, until you or anyone else captures this territory 10, 100, or 1000 years later, the territory which was called Armenia in historical maps will be called Eastern Anatolia. You cannot change this fact by screwing someone or getting screwed by someone, whoever taught you this, taught you very, very wrong

Fair enough!

One last thing about your ‘historical’ Armenia. If you check your avatar, and other maps which you so proudly post, there are great discrepancies about the limits of your Armenian Empire. On the maps you post, Armenia does not include any coast to the Black Sea, but on your avatar, Armenia looks as if it would truly need a navy! You guys should definitely agree on a map before you attack us and ‘liberate’ these territories, otherwise great confusion may occur

My avatar shows the borders drawn by president Wilson for the treaty of Sèvres.
It is the LEGAL Armenia and no attack is needed to take that back.
The coastline was included because they decided Armenia had to have a way out to sea. Between Cilicia and the Black Sea they decided upon the latter. Besides, did you know most of the Turkified Armenians still live in that area?

It's legal because the Lausanne treaty was imposed on us and does not include any articles concerning the Armenians.

In plain language the murderous squatters signed a contract which gave them the "right" of the ownership to the home of the landlord (whose family they had just murdered) without the consent of the same, who was not even allowed to be present at the signing of the contract.
Shred it and make toilet paper out of it.

It's legal because the Lausanne treaty does not include an article annulling the Sèvres treaty.

It's a more important treaty because the American president drew the map but there's no American signature under the treaty of Lausanne. So in fact the US of A does not officially recognize Turkey!

Dont worry about the rest of Armenia, we'll take it back later including Cilicia.
We didn't build an advanced kingdom for 300 years for you to come and usurp it from us.

"Armenian Empire"? Unlike you and many other empire seeking likes of you Armenians were never really after empire building, that's why we lost 90% of our homeland.

[Vogelgrippe]

better be sore than sorry....

No, you don't disappoint me, you just change the subject.


It was not also called. It was NEVER called "Eastern Anatolia". Calling it "Eastern Anatolia" is the continuation of the Armenian genocide because you usurped it savagely and illegally, by using genocide as the means of conquest. Therefore, you are not allowed to change the name of my homeland. The bet or the debrainwash lesson or my FUQ are for mentally challenged deniers and I regretted that since you used this offensive term, I had to put them to you who are more intelligent than that.
These are tongue-in-cheek remarks to enlighten the lost souls and you shouldn't be offended by that.

Azarbaijan is still south of the Arax River. The bogus nonentity to the north does not have the right to use and abuse the name "Azerbaijan" because it has nothing in common historically, racially, culturally, religiously with the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan/Aturpayegan).
"Azerbaijan" was artificially created on Armenian territory for pan-turkist purposes and the Ottomans who had invaded the region in 1918 led by Noori pasha, half sibling of Enver, named the bogus state "Azerbaijan" for future claims on the real Azarbaijan in order to suffocate Armenia and found the "Great" "Turan".


So where's the map with "Eastern Anatolia"?


Wrong, I'm still alive and I won't allow you to desecrate the name of my homeland.
You are not the new rulers of my home, you took it treacherously by means of genocide.


It's funny how FACTS disturb the Turks.
This is not the first time a Turk is pissed off by the Tavernier quote.
Man! He was there at the time and he recorded his observations.
Tokat not being on the Armenian map does not mean there were no Armenians living in Asia Minor. Tabriz used to be part of Urartu kingdom but since the Iranians are our kind brothers and despite past wars and invasions they never committed savageries of the kind Turks did against us, no, they gave us among other things, the Arshakuni dynasty and Gregory the Illuminator (who I personally don’t like because he destroyed our pagan temples) we’ll never claim any land from Iran. I, a cat lover, will not tolerate any change to the beautiful map of Iran. Caesarea and Sebastia were also mainly Armenian populated regions and we'll take those back as well in due time!


Fair enough!


My avatar shows the borders drawn by president Wilson for the treaty of Sèvres.
It is the LEGAL Armenia and no attack is needed to take that back.
The coastline was included because they decided Armenia had to have a way out to sea. Between Cilicia and the Black Sea they decided upon the latter. Besides, did you know most of the Turkified Armenians still live in that area?

It's legal because the Lausanne treaty was imposed on us and does not include any articles concerning the Armenians.

In plain language the murderous squatters signed a contract which gave them the "right" of the ownership to the home of the landlord (whose family they had just murdered) without the consent of the same, who was not even allowed to be present at the signing of the contract.
Shred it and make toilet paper out of it.

It's legal because the Lausanne treaty does not include an article annulling the Sèvres treaty.

It's a more important treaty because the American president drew the map but there's no American signature under the treaty of Lausanne. So in fact the US of A does not officially recognize Turkey!

Dont worry about the rest of Armenia, we'll take it back later including Cilicia.
We didn't build an advanced kingdom for 300 years for you to come and usurp it from us.

"Armenian Empire"? Unlike you and many other empire seeking likes of you Armenians were never really after empire building, that's why we lost 90% of our homeland.

‘Doğu Anadolu Bölgesi’ is an administrative region of Turkey, and means Eastern Anatolia Region. As I already stated, it is a geographic region invented by modern Turkey. It has nothing to do with affirmation or support of genocide or anything. When the French conquered Nizza from the Piedmont Republic, they changed the name to Nice, but the transition was quite peaceful. Americans, on the other hand, preserved most of Native Indian geographical names (Massachusetts, Wyoming, Connecticut... to name a few), unfortunately, they did not show the same respect for the people who live on these territories. This is only to show that there is no direct correlation between the respect for place names and respect for human lives.

When I meant that '..it is also called Armenia', I pointed to the fact that a big chunk (if not all) of the same territory is also shown as 'Kurdistan' in many historical maps. In other words, your historical Armenia overlaps greatly with historical Kurdistan. Yes? No? Be honest.

Anyways, here is some references to, and maps of, Eastern Anatolia in non-Turkish sources...

http://www.mantleplumes.org/Anatolia.html

http://www.iris.edu/news/IRISnewsletter/volume2000no1/page-14-16.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia

I requested you many times to refrain from 'screwy' types of bets in a gentle fashion. Your title feels like you couldn't resist the attraction of being sensational, but your boomerang is coming back! Again, I refrain from my right if you finally admit your wrong So do not worry!

About Uncle Sam and Mr. Wilson, you are totally right about the Treaty of Lausanne which the U.S Congress did not approve. The same Congress however approved the N.A.T.O Treaty, which states that any attack on any other member will be considered by each N.A.T.O member country as an attack on it own soil. Therefore, any attack on Erzurum or Van by Armenia will be considered an attack on American soil according to the 1952 NATO Treaty. The U.S’ failure to ratify the Lausanne Treaty therefore is a shame on the U.S., and nothing more.

About the Tavernier quote, let me explain it to you in a different fashion. If I had told you that my height is 1.86cm, there is a chance that you would believe me. If I had told you, however, that I have blue hair, green skin color, and am 1.86cm tall, you would also think that I am also lying to you about my height, because the other two pieces of information I give you is bullxxxx by definition. By the same token, when you quote ‘serious’ historians talking about ‘‘....Turks living for 300 years etc...’’ I am forced to think that your other ‘serious’ historians are bullxxxx as well. Sorry, your bad.

About your comment about why Armenia lost its territories, I wholeheartedly agree with you about this sad but true observation. It turns out the best defence has always been offence in nations' histories....

[Hovik]

Vogel,

I've heard that Armenia could soon become a member of NATO. Wonder what the rules are regarding one member nation attacking another?


Side Note: Anyway, NATO won't be around forever in my opinion...

And in my opinion, Armenia should start dealing with the land issue from a legal perspective NOT a military perspective in the beginning, military action should come after more peaceful means have been taken to resolve the issue.

[elendil]

I've heard that Armenia could soon become a member of NATO. Wonder what the rules are regarding one member nation attacking another?

The rules will be pretty much like Greece and Turkey in 1990s. Small clashes, schemes behind the scenes but never a serious war issue so on.

I've heard that Armenia could soon become a member of NATO

It is strange and dangerous for a Russia allied country to take such a stance. But then again anything is possible in world. Any link on the event is welcome though.

Anyway, NATO won't be around forever in my opinion.

You are right, it wont be. But then again we are pretty strong in terms of military and looking at armament policy of Turkey it seems that position will go on for a long time to come.

And in my opinion, Armenia should start dealing with the land issue from a legal perspective NOT a military perspective in the beginning, military action should come after more peaceful means have been taken to resolve the issue.

Military action should come eh? One way or the other you say...Well, free to try my friends, we will be waiting..

[Hovik]

Military action should come eh? One way or the other you say...Well, free to try my friends, we will be waiting..

I think you're playing on my words. I said legal acton should come. For those that believe military action is a way of solving the problem I pointed out that other LEGAL steps should be taken now - not military action.

And the xxxxiness about your military superiority is really a weakness in my opinion. If you have to talk about how tough and invincible you are, it shows insecurity. The day Turks admit that they CAN lose a war, CAN lose land, and CAN in other ways be vulnerable, will be the day that Turkey shows true strength...

Learn a lesson from your Azeri brothers, being the underdog in the realms of money, men and machines means NOTHING...

[elendil]

And in my opinion, Armenia should start dealing with the land issue from a legal perspective NOT a military perspective in the beginning, military action should come after more peaceful means have been taken to resolve the issue.

Perhaps I read it wrong or understood it wrong, but does not that sentence mean if the legal-based actions have no result then military action should come to resolve the land issue?

And the xxxxiness about your military superiority is really a weakness in my opinion. If you have to talk about how tough and invincible you are, it shows insecurity. The day Turks admit that they CAN lose a war, CAN lose land, and CAN in other ways be vulnerable, will be the day that Turkey shows true strength...

We are not invincible. America could take us out, China could, Russia could and so on. Armenia may even get victorious in scale of small clashes against Turkey. Turks do not need to admit we can lose a war, we have lost many wars. It is life, noone is victorious at all times. But there is a common sense on balance of things and it is my idea that the balance of power is in favor of Turkey. If you evaulate military action as a choice even after legal action, I think it is my right as a citizen of my country to remind the person that such an action will not go without a price. That is all.

Learn a lesson from your Azeri brothers, being the underdog in the realms of money, men and machines means NOTHING...

There is a lesson in everything indeed, likewise in the defeat of our Azeri brothers. We all need to look past sometimes and see what our mistakes has cost us. Be it Armenian or Turkish regardless of ethnicity nations pay for their mis-calculated actions.

And lastly I am not xxxxy, never have been never will be

[Joseph]

Perhaps I read it wrong or understood it wrong, but does not that sentence mean if the legal-based actions have no result then military action should come to resolve the land issue?



We are not invincible. America could take us out, China could, Russia could and so on. Armenia may even get victorious in scale of small clashes against Turkey. Turks do not need to admit we can lose a war, we have lost many wars. It is life, noone is victorious at all times. But there is a common sense on balance of things and it is my idea that the balance of power is in favor of Turkey. If you evaulate military action as a choice even after legal action, I think it is my right as a citizen of my country to remind the person that such an action will not go without a price. That is all.



There is a lesson in everything indeed, likewise in the defeat of our Azeri brothers. We all need to look past sometimes and see what our mistakes has cost us. Be it Armenian or Turkish regardless of ethnicity nations pay for their mis-calculated actions.

And lastly I am not xxxxy, never have been never will be

Fair enough. Regardless of what happens with Turks and Armenians, a bigger regional war is coming sooner or later and in some ways, we'll all feel the brunt of it.

[elendil]

Fair enough. Regardless of what happens with Turks and Armenians, a bigger regional war is coming sooner or later and in some ways, we'll all feel the brunt of it.

I believe the possibility of the regional war entirely depends on the element of Iraq.
Though Armenia will not be much affected if Iran is not involved in war, without a doubt we will have very serious problems with our Kurdish rooted citizens living in Turkey. ( I dont mention how direct war will affect Turkey)

As to America's invading Iran possiblity, well I am hoping it will not happen...