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Ataturk's Sun Theory
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Deve bir pula ,Deve bin pula
(A camel is worth sometimes a penny,sometimes a pound)"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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When i make such statements I always leave an escape hatch for not ready for primetime deniers and you just grabbed it, see ya...
We won the independence war, Ataturk led us to victory, the world knows it, you know it I know it, the rest of the Armenians in the forum know it. We got our asses kicked in WW1, we kicked ass after WW1.(God I am talking like a pure American, damn you) Read about how people and economy got tired of endless war in England. Read how the revolution in Russia affected the Turkic-Russia relations . Read how England found it more convinient to ally itself with emerging Turkish power than to fight against it. Do not fall into Jewish conspiracy theoires, do not fall in any kind of theory. Read and have you own theory.
PS: Allahaşkına koskoca savaş sadece geri çekilerek kazanılır mı, akıl var mantık var.
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The battle of gallipolu was a stalemate Turks had more casualties Entente powers withdrew from an disadvantagous stalemate and won the war.
Independece war with Greeks was complete running away designed by Mustafa Kemal against his commanders advice to "preserve"the army he was just biding time and what he predicted happenned with the threat of alianation of England Greeks were immediatly ordered back just when they were clinching victory, when Kemals forces saw of the retreat they attacked ,The greek army went back to their previous positions fighting 40 miles east again before they retreated causing disaster to anything in site because of rage but they didnt burn Smyrna.
Stalemates and forfetieng a fight is not the same as being glorious in battle unlike what they teach in Turkish text books.
In middleast i think Syria he was famous for withdrawing "preserving' also
Its really not farfetched to see him like the Ottomans did as an agent of Britain,in fact Otomman special forces cornered him in Ankara after winning many battles against his "Nationalist" forces all of a sudden the Britich controlled media started announcing the details of the Sevre agreement from a year and a half before which the details were kept secret thats when the tide turned against the Ottoman special forces and lost their support of the people and lost to the kemalists .And thats how Britain won the peace by nurturing and inserting their own candidate into power,Anotherwords this still used today creating your own enemy makes life easyer and more profitable.
like US is doing today"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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The battle of gallipolu was a stalemate Turks had more casualties Entente powers withdrew from an disadvantagous stalemate and won the war.
Independece war with Greeks was complete running away designed by Mustafa Kemal against his commanders advice to "preserve"the army he was just biding time and what he predicted happenned with the threat of alianation of England Greeks were immediatly ordered back just when they were clinching victory, when Kemals forces saw of the retreat they attacked ,The greek army went back to their previous positions fighting 40 miles east again before they retreated causing disaster to anything in site because of rage but they didnt burn Smyrna.
Stalemates and forfetieng a fight is not the same as being glorious in battle unlike what they teach in Turkish text books.
In middleast i think Syria he was famous for withdrawing "preserving' also
Withdrawing is a tactic in war, confronting your enemy when it is stronger can mean two things. You stand no other chance, or you are an idiot.
Its really not farfetched to see him like the Ottomans did as an agent of Britain,in fact Otomman special forces cornered him in Ankara after winning many battles against his "Nationalist" forces all of a sudden the Britich controlled media started announcing the details of the Sevre agreement from a year and a half before which the details were kept secret thats when the tide turned against the Ottoman special forces and lost their support of the people and lost to the kemalists .And thats how Britain won the peace by nurturing and inserting their own candidate into power,Another words this still used today creating your own enemy makes life easyer and more profitable.
like US is doing today
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Originally posted by GavurThe battle of gallipolu was a stalemate Turks had more casualties Entente powers withdrew from an disadvantagous stalemate and won the war.
Independece war with Greeks was complete running away designed by Mustafa Kemal against his commanders advice to "preserve"the army he was just biding time and what he predicted happenned with the threat of alianation of England Greeks were immediatly ordered back just when they were clinching victory, when Kemals forces saw of the retreat they attacked ,The greek army went back to their previous positions fighting 40 miles east again before they retreated causing disaster to anything in site because of rage but they didnt burn Smyrna.
Stalemates and forfetieng a fight is not the same as being glorious in battle unlike what they teach in Turkish text books.
In middleast i think Syria he was famous for withdrawing "preserving' also
Its really not farfetched to see him like the Ottomans did as an agent of Britain,in fact Otomman special forces cornered him in Ankara after winning many battles against his "Nationalist" forces all of a sudden the Britich controlled media started announcing the details of the Sevre agreement from a year and a half before which the details were kept secret thats when the tide turned against the Ottoman special forces and lost their support of the people and lost to the kemalists .And thats how Britain won the peace by nurturing and inserting their own candidate into power,Anotherwords this still used today creating your own enemy makes life easyer and more profitable.
like US is doing today
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No Hitite I was just pointing out numeourus lies that was told th Turkish people and the edge of the "needed" lies touch the AG,so if one minimizes this lie and that lie it opens the door to more lies.
Today Turkey has qualities of a multinational soceity that cannot be denied and its admirable (given the great genepool)in terms of sane people you are in the majority (you two)most of my rage is against that 7-8 percent and your goverment for external political reasons that go back to 19th century try to appease them.Us Armenians were once accused of seeing special treatment back then so they eliminated us but it seems like the accusers took their place and I'm not too sure of their alliances.Who does it benefit keeping Armenians and Turks enemys?
Why hasnt this issue been solved for 91 years?"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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While in some ways I can understand the purpose behind creating such a theory, it sort of goes hand in hand with why the past seems to be so whitewashed in Turkey.
PS.I just saw your post, sorry for the delay
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