Ataturk's Sun Theory

[Gavur]

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Gavurbogan

I speak greek too!

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Gelde bizim koye
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[imported_Hellektor]

Those Brisatanic Bastards...

Another words he lied to all of us who grew up in those lands (and screwed us) for the love of his xxxxxx British friends.I wonder what other things he lied about.A lier is not fit to lead a nation ,unless he was put there by the winners among the entente powers that won the war of peace.

That's the sort of thing I like to hear

[imported_Hellektor]

Dont be childish Gavur, what would you say to a nation that lost an entire empire. Life is never black and white just like people are not. Ataturk lied about it, but he had a good reason. His act proved to much more wiser in the end.

When did that "nation" ever own a single square nanometer of that entire "empire" or what good did they bring to the region except misery?
They didn't "lose" Armenia and "Anatolia" though, they also managed to prop up a bogus mini-Ottoman Tyranny in the Caucasus, didn't they?

So let me put the same question to ya:
What would you say to a nation that lost 70% of their genofund, more than 90% of their god given homeland, 85% of priceless manuscripts, 90% of still surviving centuries old monuments.... and all that after 9 centuries of suffering under a vicious species of bloodthirsty, barbaric, backward bandits?

Despite all that misfortune we have never had the need to invent history.

Do we have to cry for your loss of pride?
Why instead of developing positive attributes of human beings like shame, guilt, remorse, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, sincerity, truthfulness, conscience, objectivity, self-criticism, understanding for the suffering of others, the ability to share others' pain, etc., your "pride" and touchiness are the strongest of feelings that have developed in you?

( I hear his friendship with English has improved at Gallipoli while fighting them )
Please drop this nonsense of great conspiracy theories of the world. Turkey emerged as a new country, after all England found it wiser to ally itself with us than fighting against us. That is what is politics, that is what is diplomacy.

The xxxxxxs have taken any dagger that happened to be lying somewhere around and stabbed the Armenians in the back ever since the Crusades, i.e. the beginnings of the formation of their nation.

[imported_Hellektor]

Elendil. I agree with nearly every point of your analysis except for the fact that I see Turkey and Armenia interacting more and more. I have started seeing Armenian tradesmen come to our region to buy Turkish products (contrary to a lot of idiots on this forum who say stuff like "worthless xxxx made in Turkey, we dont need it, we dont need to trade with Turkey" BS these guys are actually very eager to buy our products). There seems to be a huge difference between Armenians proper and Diasporans. This difference could well bring truce to a certain degree 'within' a few decades inshallah. Armenians proper do not cling to AG recognition like a religion, at least as much as the diaspora since they have more immediate survival issues to deal with. Thats why I have hopes for a truce regardless of AG recognition on Turkeys behalf upon which the atmosphere between two nations IMHO will change drastically. After that I think the healing will begin and maybe a natural recognition of the people in Turkey first thus the government may take place.

I don't know you are really ignorant or you are just pulling our legs.
It's Turkey that has imposed a unilateral, illegal blockade.
Armenia has declared time and again they are ready to start communications without preconditions. It's your arrogant, fascist government that's constantly putting conditions prior to talks.
Once, god forbid, Armenia bows to these conditions, Turks are going to ask for more.
Turks HAVE never tolerated and WILL never tolerate the existence of Armenia, no matter how small. That's why they created fake "Azerbaijan" to suffocate Armenia.
Pan-Turkism's rule number one: destroy Armenia.

P.S. No one is denying Turkish products inundate the Armenian market as of now. The thing is once the borders are open (= never, because Turkey will never accept the existence of an independent Armenia) the Armenian farmers will be ruined as a result of Turkish products of lesser quality and therefore lower price flooding into Armenia.

[Gavur]

Bahçelerde mor meni
Verem ettin sen beni
Ya sen İslam ol Gavur
Ben olamam Ermeni

)))))

Gel kız Müslüman ol alayım seni
Ben dinimden dönsem el kınar beni


Biraz daha yaratici ol salak

At least my Greeek is original not someone elses you ass-giver

[Hovik]

Gallipoli,

I have one question for you, what is your purpose of being in this forum?

Answer this please...

[elendil]

When did that "nation" ever own a single square nanometer of that entire "empire" or what good did they bring to the region except misery?
They didn't "lose" Armenia and "Anatolia" though, they also managed to prop up a bogus mini-Ottoman Tyranny in the Caucasus, didn't they?

So let me put the same question to ya:
What would you say to a nation that lost 70% of their genofund, more than 90% of their god given homeland, 85% of priceless manuscripts, 90% of still surviving centuries old monuments.... and all that after 9 centuries of suffering under a vicious species of bloodthirsty, barbaric, backward bandits?

Despite all that misfortune we have never had the need to invent history.

Do we have to cry for your loss of pride?
Why instead of developing positive attributes of human beings like shame, guilt, remorse, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, sincerity, truthfulness, conscience, objectivity, self-criticism, understanding for the suffering of others, the ability to share others' pain, etc., your "pride" and touchiness are the strongest of feelings that have developed in you?

I am not pointing out the background of Turkish nationalism because I want your symphaty. By all means I do not ask to cry for our loss of pride. The debate demanded the issue to be explained and I explained it.

As to saying Armenian nation. I dont know honestly. If you are aware I explained Ataturk's words.What did or does your leaders tell you?

Your misfortune is caused by others. You can call it fate. Our empire fell because we did not manage it accordingly and could not keep up with the new age. It was our fault. That is why our self-trust was broken. Though in time we learned every nation declines and rises through time.

Turks have feelings naturally like any human and certainly all of the qualities that you mention. But why is pride stronger among these could be a just question. Well, it is military heritage I believe. Keep your heads up, troops! Besides pride probably shines grandly when one is alone all the way, especially when it is the only thing you possess. (As a nation I mean)

[hitite]

I don't know you are really ignorant or you are just pulling our legs.
It's Turkey that has imposed a unilateral, illegal blockade.
Armenia has declared time and again they are ready to start communications without preconditions. It's your arrogant, fascist government that's constantly putting conditions prior to talks.
Once, god forbid, Armenia bows to these conditions, Turks are going to ask for more.
Turks HAVE never tolerated and WILL never tolerate the existence of Armenia, no matter how small. That's why they created fake "Azerbaijan" to suffocate Armenia.
Pan-Turkism's rule number one: destroy Armenia.

P.S. No one is denying Turkish products inundate the Armenian market as of now. The thing is once the borders are open (= never, because Turkey will never accept the existence of an independent Armenia) the Armenian farmers will be ruined as a result of Turkish products of lesser quality and therefore lower price flooding into Armenia.

Funnily enough you yourself seem to be the master of "Changing the Subject", something you accuse everybody else of doing even when they answer your question head on. I guess its your sick way of being your sick self.

Now where the Hellektors fuqq have I said or implied Turkey is NOT imposing a unilateral blockade. Please show me that you are not dreaming of posts never written. I was talking about a possible truce... We all know that Turkey has closed the border because of Azarbaijan (which ok we know did not exist before 1918... we're all tired of it) and because Armenia does not recognize Turkeys borders. Both parties have their political reasons which I hope will in time be redundant hence open borders.

Turks HAVE never tolerated and WILL never tolerate the existence of Armenia, no matter how small. That's why they created fake "Azerbaijan" to suffocate Armenia.
Pan-Turkism's rule number one: destroy Armenia.

If Turkey never tolerated the existence of Armenia then why was it one of the first countries to recognize it. I hope I'm not changing the subject Now how did Turkey create Azerabaijan??? I really envy the small imaginary world you have created for yourself.

P.S. No one is denying Turkish products inundate the Armenian market as of now. The thing is once the borders are open (= never, because Turkey will never accept the existence of an independent Armenia) the Armenian farmers will be ruined as a result of Turkish products of lesser quality and therefore lower price flooding into Armenia.

First of all Turkey recognizes Armenia you idiot. Secondly if your dinosaur mafia ridden Armenian government has any notion of administrating an economy and regulating trade they should easily be able to control the inflow of Turkish goods in order to protect your domestic industry, if you have any. Finally I doubt Turkish products are cheaper than Armenian ones especially agricultural products which you seem to imply.

In order to compare please tell us how much 1kg of meat costs in Yerevan for example. Here right now it costs around 14.90YTL which is almost $9.50 per kilo if you want to make a good shish kebab: http://www.carrefour.com.tr/urunler.asp?Cat=44

[Bulgarian]

Can any of you explain the Ataturk Sun Theory for me? I heard it's about as credible as L. Ron Hubbard.

Whats this to do with the Armenian Genocide?

[Joseph]

Whats this to do with the Armenian Genocide?

Bulgarian, not much but I bring it up any time a Turk tries to lecture us on "history" to demonstrate the type of "information" that was proferred by the state.