Turkey and the EU

[auser]

And Auser, before you "wip" Turkey off the map you should first "wip" your a...s red and then go play with them monkeys you sound like.

But first, you nomad turkes need to pack up your tents and go back to Olan batur, and join your monkey brothers who have been waiting for a while.

This artificial nation built upon the bones of innocent Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians will be destroyed sooner or later
.Go to hell! we don’t need your preach, you need to preach to your fellow moron Turks not us.

[Hovik]

auser,

We're trying to have intelligent conversation here, and you're the only one impeding it...

Snap out of it or next action will be banning you from the forum. Please contribute positively to the discussion - I'm sure you can.

[Hovik]

It indeed is no laughing matter. However the sudden decision of the EU Parliament to include Assyrians and Pontus Greeks in this matter is laughable in the sense that these idiots at the EU parliament who have no historical knowledge whatsoever about any of these events are just (ab)using this and that genocide to suit their political needs and why oh why werent these genocides put forth as preconditions in the past but suddenly today? Were the assyrian and pontus Genocides recently unearthed by historians just recently? Turkey did not show any (over)reaction since this time it really was not serious, even the EU itself were apologetic afterwards, when they saw that the whole thing was ridiculous.

Since the first times I joined this forum I will continue to say that this sort of recognition pressure will get Armenians and Turks nowhere. This is all just wrong policy.

And Auser, before you "wip" Turkey off the map you should first "wip" your a...s red and then go play with them monkeys you sound like.

And do you have any suggestions for what right policy might be?

[hitite]

And do you have any suggestions for what right policy might be?

I tried to explain myself several times in the past:

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7134#post7134

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8003#post8003

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12533#post12533

[auser]

auser,

We're trying to have intelligent conversation here, and you're the only one impeding it...

Snap out of it or next action will be banning you from the forum. Please contribute positively to the discussion - I'm sure you can.

Whether you ban me or not I am not going to send any posts to this forum as long as you are one of the moderators.
The “positive” sounds more and more ridiculous when it is about AG with turks always in denial.
But first open your eyes and look who said “And Auser, before you "wip" Turkey off the map you should first "wip" your a...s red and then go play with them monkeys you sound like.” Sending a single message makes you sound so ridiculous, but obviously you do not threaten to ban him cos there won’t be enough people to tell you tall Turkish tales and keep the forum a bit active.
Many other members and ex-members had warned me about the terrible atmosphere in here but I had ignored them and had a different opinion of you. But now, I realize that maybe they were right.

[Joseph]

Whether you ban me or not I am not going to send any posts to this forum as long as you are one of the moderators.
The “positive” sounds more and more ridiculous when it is about AG with turks always in denial.
But first open your eyes and look who said “And Auser, before you "wip" Turkey off the map you should first "wip" your a...s red and then go play with them monkeys you sound like.” Sending a single message makes you sound so ridiculous, but obviously you do not threaten to ban him cos there won’t be enough people to tell you tall Turkish tales and keep the forum a bit active.
Many other members and ex-members had warned me about the terrible atmosphere in here but I had ignored them and had a different opinion of you. But now, I realize that maybe they were right.

Hovik has been a excellent moderator and has been fair about baning rascists on this Forum whether they are Armenians or Turks. As long as a Turkish member does not deny the Genocide here or use insults on this forum, he or she is welcome to stay. It is understood that you are angry as can be seen on your posts leading up to this (we are all angry) but you began the insults. I hope you re-consider and decide to be a part of this.

[Hovik]

This is for hitite, and another (i believe elendil or vogel) who stated Armenians should go to International courts:

Genocide: WAC Recommends Armenia to Appeal to UN International Court
/PanARMENIAN.Net/

“I would like to indicate the steps that should be taken in our opinion to solve the problem of recognition of the Armenian Genocide,” President of the Union of Armenians of Russia (UAR) and the World Armenian Congress (WAC) Ara Abrahamyan stated during the Armenia-Diaspora Third All-Armenian Forum. It is evident that the only opportunity to attain international and legal conclusion on responsibility for the crime is a decision of an international competent forum or international court. Protracting the solution of that issue is not in line with interests of Armenia, Turkey or superpowers, Abrahamyan noted.

In his words, the expert group at WAC has recommended that the Government of Armenia appeal to the UN International Court on the basis of article IX of the Convention of Preventing Genocide Crime and Punishment for It. The appeal to the International Court cannot be considered as hostile action and cannot entail negative political consequences for Armenia, Ara Abrahamyan stated. To the contrary, it can put an end to the past, which darkened relations with Turkey for decades. “Unfortunately, we did not get a response to our proposal up to now. The issue is to all appearance under consideration by the MFA still,” the UAR President said.

[hitite]

Hovik, dont you get it. Forcing recognition on Turkey by third parties, be it another country or an international law enforcement body (which practically does not exist) is futile. Armenians MUST change their approach otherwise you will miss a whole other generation. The Armenian Genocide issue is not ripe or strong enough for the international community to embrace it for it to lead to results. Even if you did get a resolution through the UN Turkey will still not recognise it and the whole thing will be forgotten. It will be forgotten because there is no way to enforce it. Do you expect the IC will put sanctions on a country who is doing billions of dollars worth of business, who is one of the rare democratic Muslim majority countries, who is very integrated with several international bodies like the UN, EU, NATO, who sends soldiers to troubled parts of the world under the UN and NATO banners to put sanctions on Turkey? Dont think so. Again we see how easy the A. Diaspora preaches Armenia proper, recommending Armenia to go to court. I really do admire your passion but also see grave miscalculations in your method.

[Hovik]

Hovik, dont you get it. Forcing recognition on Turkey by third parties, be it another country or an international law enforcement body (which practically does not exist) is futile. Armenians MUST change their approach otherwise you will miss a whole other generation. The Armenian Genocide issue is not ripe or strong enough for the international community to embrace it for it to lead to results. Even if you did get a resolution through the UN Turkey will still not recognise it and the whole thing will be forgotten. It will be forgotten because there is no way to enforce it. Do you expect the IC will put sanctions on a country who is doing billions of dollars worth of business, who is one of the rare democratic Muslim majority countries, who is very integrated with several international bodies like the UN, EU, NATO, who sends soldiers to troubled parts of the world under the UN and NATO banners to put sanctions on Turkey? Dont think so. Again we see how easy the A. Diaspora preaches Armenia proper, recommending Armenia to go to court. I really do admire your passion but also see grave miscalculations in your method.

Did you or did you not suggest that Armenians should go to IC? Just answer that.

[Hovik]

For a reminder...

Maybe you should file another case against Turkey at the European court of Justice???

And FYI, there were others in the forum who directly suggested that Armenians apply to an International Court of Justice for Genocide Recognition.