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  • Centuries of peace between Anatolian muslims and Christians

    Islam came to Anatolia 1000 years ago. For the majority of time since then, there has been peace between Muslim and Christian Anatolians. We can be still be at peace.



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    Muslim cleric and Armenian priest united in all but headgear

    Monday, September 15, 2008

    A ceramic jug produced in Kütahya in the 18th century displays the figure of an Armenian priest and a Muslim cleric standing side by side, embracing each other as a symbol of friendship

    Vercihan Ziflioğlu
    Turkish Daily News

    The Islamic call to prayer and the tolling of church bells have echoed together on Anatolian lands for centuries. Peoples of different ethnicities, cultures and faiths once lived in peace on Ottoman territory before a sense of nationalism grew and undermined the tradition of fraternity.

    But a ceramic jug dating back to the 18th century remains as a small symbol of that co-existence and brotherhood.

    The unique jug, a secret treasure, is item No. 6 in a permanent collection, titled “Kütahya and Ceramics,” displayed at the Pera Museum. The exhibition was founded in the name of Suna Kıraç and İnan Kıraç in 2005. The ceramic jug, attracting attention with its strong colors and figures, is the most precious piece in the collection.

    As Turks and Armenians look for ways to overcome past trauma and achieve reconciliation, the ceramic jug, produced 300 years ago in the Kütahya province of Turkey, offers a message of peace. The jug displays figures of an Armenian priest and a Muslim cleric standing side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder and embracing each other. The two religious figures differ from one another only in their headgear. The Christian cleric wears a black hat, as the Muslim cleric wears a white turban.

    Edine Süleymanoğlu, who is responsible for the collection, spoke to the Turkish Daily News regarding the piece. Süleymanoğlu said Armenian craftsmen's works were the first examples of the art of ceramics in Anatolia.

    Asked how one can identify that the Christian figure displayed on the jug was an Armenian priest, Süleymanoğlu said, “It is quite clear. The way he dresses and the type of headgear he wears reflect typical priest's attire in Armenian culture.”



    Turkish-Islamic vs Armenian ceramics

    The art of ceramics first emerged in the Anatolian region in the late 16th century. Masterpieces of ceramic art were produced in the prominent provinces of İznik and Kütahya.

    “Ceramics produced in İznik were mostly used in palaces and mosques. But those produced in Kütahya became part of people's daily life,” Süleymanoğlu said. Armenian craftsmen produced the best examples of ceramics in Kütahya, she noted.

    “Armenian craftsmen passed onto Turkish craftsmen the fine points of the art of ceramics and tips on making details and figures,” she added.

    What differentiate the Turkish-Islamic art of ceramics from the Armenian art of ceramics are the dominant images.

    “Islamic art restricts displaying figures. That is the reason Islamic works of ceramics display motifs of flowers, trees, birds and angels. But the Armenian art of ceramics mainly used figures of angels, saints, Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary as well as figures representing nature and daily life,” she said.



    Kütahya's ceramics take their color from nature

    Ceramics produced in Kütahya differ from those traditionally produced in İznik in terms of the vibrancy of their colors. “Kütahya is located in the middle of Anatolia and has a rich floral landscape. Colors used in ceramics are extracted from nature,” said Süleymanoğlu.

    She said the jug was attractive because it had strong colors and was decorated with details as well as various figures. Its motifs represent both Turkish-Islamic and Christian-Armenian art.

    Süleymanoğlu highlighted the image of unity presented by the two figures standing side-by-side:

    “In the Ottoman tradition, that type of hugging, in which one of the arms comes over one of the shoulders of the person hugged, is a symbol of friendship. If a priest and a Muslim cleric – top level figures in two big religions – are so close to each other, this is definitely proof of friendship between the Christian and Muslim peoples.”

    Süleymanoğlu drew the attention to the headgear worn by the figures of the Armenian priest and the Muslim cleric as another symbol of the similarities between the two peoples. “In both Islam and Christianity, heads should be covered before God. Thus, both figures on the jug have covered heads.”

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    Nationalism has ruined the world. Bring back the Pax Ottomanica.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by egeli View Post
      Islam came to Anatolia 1000 years ago. For the majority of time since then, there has been peace between Muslim and Christian Anatolians.
      What total bullxxxx. There has been 1000 years of oppression and genocide.

      And regarding that stupid, propagandistic article, maybe the TDN has had a new infusion of funding from the EU (given that Turkey is awash with the stuff, with EU financed projects around literally every street).
      Plenipotentiary meow!

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      • #4
        Can anyone find a picture of this jug so I can tell you how fake it is? I'm a pottery specialist at the LA Museum of Ancient History.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cthulhu
          Can anyone find a picture of this jug so I can tell you how fake it is? I'm a pottery specialist at the LA Museum of Ancient History.
          Of course it has to be a lie. Anything by the Turkish press has to be lie, even if it is by a very liberal newspaper. Many Turkish-Armenians write for the TDN. Greeks based in Greece also have a weekly column in the TDN. Why do you think the Turkish daily news is written only in English? Such a liberal newspaper in Turkey will be universally hated if anyone could read it.

          I have seen TDN posted on this forum many times, and used as a source for many pro-Armenian arguments. Why the sudden change in heart?

          Turkish and Armenian nationalists want it to be fake. If it isn't, it will weaken their historical revisionism that Muslim and Anatolian Christians have been like oil and water all throughout history.

          Christian Anatolians were exterminated from their homeland in less than a decade. What about the other 990 years? I personally have not heard of any state oppression against Armenians before Abdul Hamid II. And that was in the late 19th century. If I am wrong, that is okay, because I am here to learn.

          1000 years is a very, very long time. Anatolia is historically the most culturally and ethnically mixed place on the planet. Ottoman/Byzantine/Roman Anatolia was simply incompatible with nationalism; every ethnic group wanted Anatolia for itself.

          Every ethnic group believes that Anatolia, by some god ordained law, only belongs to them.

          History has always been manipulated by nationalists as a way to bolster national unity and legitimacy. I hope globalization will save us all from this horrible disease.

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          • #6
            The author of this article, Vercihan Zilfioglu, is a Turkish-Armenian. Is she really lying to us?

            Turkish Daily News: Explore the latest Turkish news, including Turkey news, politics, political updates, and current affairs. Israel: Hamas Intelligence Deputy Head Shadi Barud Killed - 21:10

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            • #7
              I think we all make the mistake of judging the past with present standards. With todays understanding of human-rights, democracy, rascism etc. the Ottoman rule in Anatolia should be considered brutal, militaristic and extremely discriminatory. We can say the same about the Roman, Mongolian, Byzantine, Muslim, Spanish, English, Russian and American empires. All were brutal, killed thousands, all have histories of massacre if not genocide.

              The Ottoman empire is no exception, thats how you become an empire and that was and maybe still is a form of rule or government the world has come to know. Not seeing this would be being stupid. Trying to depict the Ottomans as god send angels, keepers of the faith and just rulers can only be propaganda if you do not mention that they had to kill and expand to stay alive.

              However a comparitive analysis of these empires could yield different results. The Mongolians may be described as more brutal than the Romans and that the Ottomans may be argued to be more equalitarian compared to the Christian Spanish inquisition etc. You may also argue that the Pax Romana and Pax Ottomana may have provided extensive periods of peace in areas of the world that would have otherwise engaged in constant war and bloodshed among small kingdoms. This does not of course rule out the fact that this sort of peace was upheld by brute force but there was also elements of law, order, justice and economy that also palyed an important role in these times of "relative" peace.

              So what Egeli says is one sided. It wasnt all that rosy and he knows it himself too.

              And Bells remark of a 1000 years of oppression and genocide is also bull crap and he knows it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hitite

                Pax Ottomana

                Hitite, have I been living under a stone because I have never, ever seen or heard of this term. Pax Romana, Pax Britannica but ottoman........well, a new one on me.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steph
                  Originally posted by hitite

                  Pax Ottomana

                  Hitite, have I been living under a stone because I have never, ever seen or heard of this term. Pax Romana, Pax Britannica but ottoman........well, a new one on me.
                  Pax Ottomana is a made up term used to describe the "relative" peace that some people believe to have existed during the heydays of the Otto Emp. You cannot see it used anywhere and the person who first used it was probably Turkish

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by egeli View Post
                    I personally have not heard of any state oppression against Armenians before Abdul Hamid II. And that was in the late 19th century. If I am wrong, that is okay, because I am here to learn.
                    The Armenians were second-class citizens of the Ottoman Empire. Pretty much their only freedom was to practice Christianity. Their testimony was not allowed in Ottoman courts, and their religious practices would defer to Muslims under the dhimmi system.

                    It's just my opinion, but I would call that oppression.

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