Parallel Roads

[lal]

I think she has more of a problem between what she KNOWS is right and what she thinks at this very moment. She thinks that she has a choice between her country and accepting the Genocide. She's having a war in herself, I know what that feels like, let's be more understanding. We might be making it worse for her guys. She's the only girl here from what I can see. Quoting James Brown, "This is a mans world but it wouldn't be nothing without a women or a girl" so let's not scare off the only girl here . Like I said before Lal, you are a person, a good human being before anything else. If you aren't a good person first and foremost, you can never be a good leader, a good minister, a good student, worker, patriot, or anything else. Right now though, your country doesn't deserve you, period.

And PS, we must talk. If we didn't in the past nothing would happen today. You wouldn't be in this forum right now believing what we say. I think what you mean is "Let's calm down" not STOP TALKING. That's like spanking us for bad behavior, lol. It is a crucial time to act, time doesn't wait for us. Let's just be ... catious. That's all there is to it.

saco,

ı dont know what to write. ı said everything ı wanted to. now ı can only repeat myself. ı am close to mr josephs opinions. something is wrong in turkey. but at least when 20,000 people apologised from the armenians , at least turkish state now knows that not everybody follows the states logic and there is another factor here. ı hope this number can pass 100,000. ı may be leaving the site for a while again. but not that you guys disturb me, because ı must think some, and listen ordinary turks more closely why they resist so deeply, try to understand them,what is going on.no humanity left? than ı write again probably. so bye for some time.

lal

[ardakilic]

saco,

ı dont know what to write. ı said everything ı wanted to. now ı can only repeat myself. ı am close to mr josephs opinions. something is wrong in turkey. but at least when 20,000 people apologised from the armenians , at least turkish state now knows that not everybody follows the states logic and there is another factor here. ı hope this number can pass 100,000. ı may be leaving the site for a while again. but not that you guys disturb me, because ı must think some, and listen ordinary turks more closely why they resist so deeply, try to understand them,what is going on.no humanity left? than ı write again probably. so bye for some time.

lal

Lal, it seems you ignored me but please take this suggestion a friendly offer.

Please, i beg you, read Sevan Nişanyan's Yanlış Cumhuriyet. I think you will understand what i am pro.

[Steph]

This is not true Steph, Turkish history doesnot consist of Ittihadists and Kemalists.

Arda, I mean since 1895, the context of this forum.

[ardakilic]

Arda, I mean since 1895, the context of this forum.

Ok Steph Jan, i realized what you mean later. I am proud of my people's success in literature, architecture, fine arts and harmony of different nations till the time you said.

[Steph]

you dont pursuade people to civilise and face the truth by telling them that they have nothing to be proud of.

lal, you pick what you want to read, I didn't say turkey had nothing to be proud of, I said little to be proud of, I should perhaps have made it more plain, little to be proud of since 1895.

this is a very difficult pill to take for a turk. you cant exactly understand it. they must not think that they are forced to accept it. they must think they do everything themselves.

you use quite forceful language to others but appear quite sensitive yourself.
Lal, I think you're amongst friends here, you might find this hard to accept, but you are. Learn to be more accepting of others, try to found out why Arda's views are different to yours, maybe find out more about the country you live in.

so far it was a great success of armenians who kept the issue alive. but ı think we are in a very critical stage. hoping that by some more pushings turks will accept it, is a wrong assumption. it is now turkish peoples turn. if we cant succeed now,we may not be able to try it again.

a great success? Really? Your last sentence above could come from the turkish establishment: " Bear with us a while, keep quiet, let us consider this for a year or ten and if we decide against recognition, well, you've only yourselves to blame"

if they really want something to come out,armenians must just stay quite at this moment.

"Grandma what big ears you've got"

[Sako]

Lal jan, is there anything Steph said that you didn't understand? You replied to me saying "I don't know what to say" but I doubt it. And even then, saying something (like you did above to me) is already good because then we'll know you're not upset or ignoring anyone. A word or two is enough.

Considering Steph's reply ...

Lal, I think you're amongst friends here, you might find this hard to accept, but you are. Learn to be more accepting of others, try to found out why Arda's views are different to yours, maybe find out more about the country you live in.

I want you to remember one thing. If you can't talk properly with Arda, a person truly trying to understand you no matter what differences you may have between each other, imagine what will happen when you start talking with Turks who might be completely against you. I've been saying what Steph's saying a hundred times, we're maybe your closest friends on the net and perhaps even when we come to Turkey. You don't have to always succeed and understanding us but trying to will help you and all of us start to do so. Don't look at how far you still have to go but how far you have come. Not only in understanding each other but in every issue, especially in life. Don't feel so sad or confused, we aren't your enemies.

[hitite]

Dude, change your tone of voice then maybe you'll understand something. I wasn't blaming or offending you. Moving on, what makes you think I'm the one confused? You need to open your mouth for me to understand you. I'm not sitting around a table with you. I hate it when people do this.

Ok Saco, I'm not messing around with you, I try not to do that around here. You simply quoted someting I said:

Its about a Turks being able to appologise even if he does not know crap about the AG.

And replied like this:

Not gonna happen, sorry. Knowledge is the only savior right now. Many don’t know what to believe and no one is going to blindly accept everything. Nice dream though. Many Turks talk without remembering where they live or what’s going on. Open your eyes and then provide excellent views, not the other way around.

So my natural response to your response was: WTF?

Nevermind Saco forget about it. I have been reading some of your posts lately and your mood swings from "brotherhood-lets get together" to "we are at war with Turkey-beware" say a lot about your confusion.

You seem to be the Armenian that wants embrace a Turk but is struggling with the years of hatred that is nurtured inside you. I am saying you "seem" to be that kind of Armenian; if you are not I apologise.

[Joseph]

Ok Saco, I'm not messing around with you, I try not to do that around here. You simply quoted someting I said:



And replied like this:



So my natural response to your response was: WTF?

Nevermind Saco forget about it. I have been reading some of your posts lately and your mood swings from "brotherhood-lets get together" to "we are at war with Turkey-beware" say a lot about your confusion.

You seem to be the Armenian that wants embrace a Turk but is struggling with the years of hatred that is nurtured inside you. I am saying you "seem" to be that kind of Armenian; if you are not I apologise.

hitite, you brought up an interesting ordeal that many Armenians and probably some Turks are trying to understand.

From an Armenian standpoint it is very hard for us to have a friendship with a Turk unless we know that they understand the magnitiude and suffering that resulted from the genocide and do not deny its occurence.

I have seen that when we come into contact with such Turks, we can move past it.

There are always going to be individuals who cannot get over their hatred or will have problems coming to grips with the other.

[Sako]

So my natural response to your response was: WTF?

Hitite, let me just set something straight here. Your response was "naturally" screwed up because of your own confusion, not mine. That's your problem and I don't find myself in a position to clear anything up when you give me these bratty replies, especially when I didn't say anything offensive. Work your issues out.

Never mind Saco forget about it. I have been reading some of your posts lately and your mood swings from "brotherhood-lets get together" to "we are at war with Turkey-beware" say a lot about your confusion.

Dude, I don't really care what you think, your attitude shows how confused you are as it is and I'm not going to waste time with you if you don't have the decency to ask me to clarify something you didn't understand, TILL NOW. If Lal didn’t reply, it’s understandable to some extent, she doesn’t know proper English. What about you though, you don’t know English either?

And that mood-swinging you mentioned shows how much I use my brains and how less you use yours.

I'm saying this once whether you understand what I'm saying or not.

You know what a choban is? A herder. He has a herding dog that is very friendly, following orders properly, but he still keeps his staff in his right hand in case the dog attacks. The herder knows what the dog is capable of and is cautious no matter what, remembering that the dog might change its mind and do something stupid perhaps at any given moment.
In the same way, we know what Turkey is capable of, what Turks are capable of, and what has happened in the past and for that reason, no matter how friendly we become, we all must and will be cautious but will never think of the good Turks as enemies or dangerous people. I'm talking about being cautious of teh real bastards. Not being cautious will show how stupid we are (which I've been saying in other posts as well). The good Turks, the Armenians, everyone must be cautious. All this time, I have been talking about brotherhood and being careful AT THE SAME TIME because no matter how friendly we become, we are in a crisis. The real Turks out there aren't gone yet and we must be prepared. Your country harms its own people and then you say I’m confused when I talk of caution.

We are brothers fighting for the same reason but we are going through very dangerous times right now and for that reason we must stand together, care and respect each other, but not forget what’s going on. So my brother from another mother , I didn’t start with "brotherhood-lets get together" and change it to "we are at war with Turkey-beware". I’ve been saying these two different things at the same time because right now they go hand in hand. If they don't, we may lose everything.

You seem to be the Armenian that wants embrace a Turk but is struggling with the years of hatred that is nurtured inside you. I am saying you "seem" to be that kind of Armenian; if you are not I apologise.

You know I really doubt you are apologizing. Those are just words. You've already put it in your mind that Saco is just this kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, lol. I can sense that from miles away and can smell it in your words right now. And if, after ALL I’ve said throughout these past months, you think I’m having trouble facing some hatred inside of me or am confused, I feel sorry for you. Hate is a powerful word and I think a hundred times before ever even thinking of feeling hate towards anyone, and I haven't. It is almost evil and I am far from it. You Turks are funny sometimes. Do you really think that all Armenians hate you? I have never been nurtured all my life to hate Turks. Talk about yourself. The way you talk, it almost seems like we Armenians are lost in hatred and the Turks should know better and be more understanding. I don't need your sympathy, what do you take me for? If that's what you have in mind when talking to Armenians, I pity you. Wake up and smell the roses and open your mouth more before pointing your horns at me. How am I supposed to know someone didn't understand something I said? I'm not psychic. When I ask why they didn't reply, they say they didn't understand anything I said or are confused. That's what these magical forums were built for, to talk and ask questions. I don't feel bad for anything I said and I back my words up. Whether your older or younger then me plays no role here, you point your horns at me and I'll grab them. What you said would piss of anyone. I have shown respect ever since I've come here and I stand for whatever I said throughout these past months. I have nothing more to add.

[Steph]

. Whether your older or younger then me plays no role here, you point your horns at me and I'll grab them. What you said would piss of anyone. I have shown respect ever since I've come here and I stand for whatever I said throughout these past months. I have nothing more to add.

Woah, Saco Jan, you know hitite didn't mention anyone's age and I don't think anyone cares about age here. Your tail's been twisted, let it turn back!
But do me a favour? Bad language really annoys me, I like my daughter to read this forum, she's 11, and needs to understand her heritage, we don't use profanities at home, nor should this forum be one that I can't let her use. So Saco, can we use other words, words that can be more effective? Appreciate it.