"what would you do?"

[ardakilic]

"eastern anatolia was predominantly muslim" - as far as I know, this one is a fact.

No it is not fact for every city. As i stated, Mush is an example. In the census of Mush, there were 225 000 Armenians and 55 000 Turks.

[mthT]

EASTERN ANATOLIA was predominantly MUSLIM.

it doesn't say "every city in eastern anatolia was predominantly turkish."

[ardakilic]

EASTERN ANATOLIA was predominantly MUSLIM.

it doesn't say "every city in eastern anatolia was predominantly turkish."

In that case, it has to be corrected as: "Most parts of Eastern Anatolia was predominantly Muslim".

[lal]

yeah, it's a turkish university. but she didn't ask the question during a lecture.



if the way I think were quite common in turkey, we wouldn't be having this conversation. you should read my post again.




I don't think that these arguments are pure myths. however, blaming every armenian for conspiring against the government and justifying the tehcir law because some armenians "did bad things" is a sick perspective, which is so prevalent among turkish historians.

"eastern anatolia was predominantly muslim" - as far as I know, this one is a fact.

okay ım sorry. ı misunderstood you.

ım planning to be the prime minister of turkey in the future or maybe minister of education , and many armenian friends here support my candidacy.maybe they will come to turkey to vote for me..

so ım trying to set my policy when ı get the office.

what must ı do about the armenian problem.

should ı continue todays policy?reject everything?
should ı open the borders?
should ı make a half mouth apology?
should ı make a full apology but reject it to be called a genocide?
should ı call it a genocide?
should ı accept compansations?
should ı give them some lands?
should ı give armenians some privaleges? like easy visa, and easy work permits?humane and economic helps.cultural relationships.

also what must ı do about karabağ problem
what should ı expect from armenians about asala murders?
how can ı convince my people to differ today, the hostile attitude of diaspora armenians and the historic realities?

best regards

lal

[Steph]

- sabotaging the ottoman army which is already short on soldiers, weapons and ammunition;

So, within months of joining World War One, the ottoman army is running out of troops, weapons and ammunition........
Solution, disarm and exterminate Armenians serving loyally in this ottoman army short of manpower. Divert troops and auxilaries/militias from front-line service to annihilate defenceless women, children and elders.

[Steph]

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(I didn't say it out loud. Unfortunately, I need a higher GPA this term.)

Your final quote could have come from the mouth of one of the troops used in the Genocide, one of the Kurds used in the Genocide, one of the SS guards at Auschwitz.

"When they came for me, no-one called out because there was no-one left"



P.S. I hope you fail your finals

[Joseph]

Your final quote could have come from the mouth of one of the troops used in the Genocide, one of the Kurds used in the Genocide, one of the SS guards at Auschwitz.

"When they came for me, no-one called out because there was no-one left"

I would not be so harsh towards mthT. He is a young man who needs to get through school. He also has come to the reality that history in Turkey is based on myth and I'm sure he is not the only one. If he stands out, he will be ridiculed and maybe even worse. It is going to take much more time for attitudes to change in Turkey despite how impatient Armenians might be.

[Joseph]

No it is not fact for every city. As i stated, Mush is an example. In the census of Mush, there were 225 000 Armenians and 55 000 Turks.

I believe Van was predominantly Armenian as well.

[Gavur]

Every "argument" of him/her need to be evaluated, so we can see how much of his/her mythological legend is real:

1. Did Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire looked for an independent Armenian state?
- A part of Armenian community could have a desire to have their own state and this is self-determination right of people. However, another part tried to solve the problem by autonomy, federation, equal citizenship or some other formulas. Another part was totally loyal and conservative.

2. Was Eastern Anatolia predominantly Muslim?
- I don't think so. In some cities, for example Mush, Armenians are majority.

3. Did Armenians collaborate with Russian army?
- Yes, some of them. This happened because of fear of massacre, desire of autonomy or some other reasons. But, professor, for God's sake, how can this legalize the Genocide? Also Genocide acts started before the war. It was a stage of systematic ethnical cleansing.

4. Did Armenian self-defense commitees or gangs or whatever you call, armed forces kill Muslim innocent villagers?
- As far as i read, some Armenian groups who survived from Genocidal acts attacked Turk and Kurd villages for revenge aims. But this is so minor.

And what would i do?

It is always my dream, maybe it could sound so wierd or utopic but a loose confederation between Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians, Greek, Assyrians might make me so happy.

Where do I sign?

[ardakilic]

I believe Van was predominantly Armenian as well.

Yes in some parts but not in total.

"The Armenian inhabited localities included the city of Van which included sub-sections of Havasor, Timar and Ercek (35% by 1896), Ardjish (64% in 1896) at north and at the south Shadakh (37% in 1896), Bashkaleh (18% in 1896) and Moks (48% in 1896)."

(Balakian, Peter (2004). The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America's Response. New York: HarperCollins. pp. 207. ISBN 0-0605-5870-9)

According the local Patriarch records, in total Van district, there were 313 000 Muslim (62 %), 130 000 Armenian (26 %) and 65 000 other Christians (13 %) (Assyrian, Chaldean, Nestorian and others) in 1912 before the Genocide starts.