"what would you do?"

[Gavur]

Yes in some parts but not in total.

"The Armenian inhabited localities included the city of Van which included sub-sections of Havasor, Timar and Ercek (35% by 1896), Ardjish (64% in 1896) at north and at the south Shadakh (37% in 1896), Bashkaleh (18% in 1896) and Moks (48% in 1896)."

(Balakian, Peter (2004). The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America's Response. New York: HarperCollins. pp. 207. ISBN 0-0605-5870-9)

According the local Patriarch records, in total Van district, there were 313 000 Muslim (62 %), 130 000 Armenian (26 %) and 65 000 other Christians (13 %) (Assyrian, Chaldean, Nestorian and others) in 1912 before the Genocide starts.

Lets not forget that the term Moslems used included Kurds and other Moslems,only when it was politically advantegous to the power grubbing freaks of nature that they were!.

[lal]

It is always my dream, maybe it could sound so wierd or utopic but a loose confederation between Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians, Greek, Assyrians might make me so happy.

thats more than a dream.

greeks are europeans now ,they wont be interested about middle east confederation.

also USA wont like things like that. they prefer even smaller pieces.

are the azeris out of the confederation? are they bad boys?

the only country who could at least start a try something like that could be turkey.

and we know where turkey is.

[ardakilic]

Lets not forget that the term Moslems was used included Kurds and other moslems,when it was politically advantegous to the power grubbing freaks of nature that they were!.

Of course!

We dont have an exact number how much of Muslim population is Kurd and Turk and maybe others.

But for estimation, in 1927 census, 70 % of population was Kurd. So we can estimate 43 % Kurd, 25 % Armenian, 19 % Turk and 13 % other Christians. Just an estimation...

[mthT]

Your final quote could have come from the mouth of one of the troops used in the Genocide, one of the Kurds used in the Genocide, one of the SS guards at Auschwitz.

"When they came for me, no-one called out because there was no-one left"



P.S. I hope you fail your finals

are you a heroes fan? I advise you to watch some house md. much better.

So, within months of joining World War One, the ottoman army is running out of troops, weapons and ammunition........
Solution, disarm and exterminate Armenians serving loyally in this ottoman army short of manpower. Divert troops and auxilaries/militias from front-line service to annihilate defenceless women, children and elders.

"armenians were disarmed and assigned to labour battalions because many of them were deserting the army with their weapons and joining the russians. however, some of them served loyally in the ottoman army." says turkish historians.

I believe Van was predominantly Armenian as well.

nope.

[Steph]

are you a heroes fan? I advise you to watch some house md. much better.

Thanks but no thanks, perhaps you should spend more time with studies.

"armenians were disarmed and assigned to labour battalions because many of them were deserting the army with their weapons and joining the russians. however, some of them served loyally in the ottoman army." says turkish historians.

So, what happened to these troops in the labour battalions? What do your historians say about these?

[Steph]

- you are the sultan of the ottoman empire. your armenian citizens wants to have an independent state in the eastern anatolia, which is predominantly muslim. they are revolting against the government, collaborating with the russians, sabotaging the ottoman army which is already short on soldiers, weapons and ammunitions; killing innocent villagers in order to provoke muslims to retaliate and etc. what would you do? how would you solve this problem?

my history lecturer at the university came up with these yesterday. needless to say, she was justifying the tehcir law. I would like to learn your opinion.


- yeah, I would order all armenians in these area to march till they die or get killed. because every single of them is conspiring against my glorious empire. you're right professor. I'm enlightened. they totally got what they deserved.

(I didn't say it out loud. Unfortunately, I need a higher GPA this term.)

"armenians were disarmed and assigned to labour battalions because many of them were deserting the army with their weapons and joining the russians. however, some of them served loyally in the ottoman army." says turkish historians.

So, which of these statements is the one you believe? Or do you believe both?

[bell-the-cat]

So, which of these statements is the one you believe? Or do you believe both?

He believes neither, unless I have misread the meaning of his posts.

[bell-the-cat]

According the local Patriarch records, in total Van district, there were 313 000 Muslim (62 %), 130 000 Armenian (26 %) and 65 000 other Christians (13 %) (Assyrian, Chaldean, Nestorian and others) in 1912 before the Genocide starts.

What do you mean by "Van district"? Unless you know what figures mean and what they refer to, they are useless.

[phantom]

Phantom - in Turkey, all history seem to be mythology.

. . . Why put yourself at risk by publically refusing to accept the propaganda, especially since you will never get a genuine thank-you from Armenians for doing it. . .

And did Taner Akcam not get genuine thank yous? True, though, that you may not get a geniune thank you from the Istanbul-Armenian community, because they lean toward keeping their mouths shut and not stirring trouble.

[Steph]

He believes neither, unless I have misread the meaning of his posts.

If he believes neither, why use the second at all?
The first is a "hypothetical" question set by some turkish academic, which he felt intimidated enough by to not give his honest answer to. I can live with that.
The second continues the official turkish stance. Was his history professor sat next to him? He hints at disagreeing with his professor's statement/view, but then quotes similar bile.