How happy for those who feel they are Turks

[bell-the-cat]

Lal may not find discussion about Kemalism worthy in terms of the subject matter of this forum, and she has all the right not to respond. Or she just wants to quit the discussion because she feels cornered. In any case, not receiving a response does not give Arda the right to categorize anybody that does not answer his call for discussion. Asking biased questions that will lead to his conclusions is not a proper way of initiating a discussion either. If one wants his opinion to be known by others, then s/he can write posts (as many and as long as s/he wants) about what s/he thinks, with adding references that s/he thinks appropriate to include. And that's basically all. We don't need intellectual lynches for our opinions to be respected.

Most of the "discussions" on this forum are not really discussions. They are just a process to enable certain members to attack, bully, categorise, marginalise, and then dismiss anyone who dares to disagree with them.

[Steph]

Most of the "discussions" on this forum are not really discussions. They are just a process to enable certain members to attack, bully, categorise, marginalise, and then dismiss anyone who dares to disagree with them.

And you are the prime example of this!!!!!!
(Although lately you don't even make the pretence of engaging in debate, you simply quote from your little collection of sad "put downs" and holier-than-thou experiences.)

[ardakilic]

I have some questions too:

1- Who are "they" that you are talking about, Arda?
2- Must every member of this forum read this thread and read your question?
3- If "they" are aware of your question, is there an obligation that your questions must be addressed? What makes you so special?
4- I had a very stupid, simple question about a musical terminology directed at you under music thread which could be answered with few words, but you did not respond. Shall I also complain?

Once you answer these questions, I MAY (not my forum nickname, meaning that I have possibility to) respond your question, if I find worthy of spending time. More, I am giving you the freedom (which you do not grant "them") not to answer my questions as well.

1. Talat, Cemal, Cemal Azmi, Bahaettin Şakir, Süreyya Bey, Nusret Bey (yaver), Sait Halim Paşa, Nusret Bey (Urfa mutasarrıfı), Boğazlıyan kaymakamı Kemal Bey, Dr. Reşit Bey, Hafız Abdullah Avni, Servet Bey...

2. No. There can't be any -even!- clue that i see this as a must.

3. No. There can't be any -even!- clue that i see this as an obligation. What makes you so specially vengeful to me?

4. I didnot answer because Vahe replied (in a way that i dont approve).

Where did i complain?

I dont grant them expression freedom! Which of my word implies such an act?

If you did read the posts, you would see i asked these questions mtht. Please look at his quasi-answers.

And you would see that this hostility explosion is deprived of base.

[ardakilic]

It is Arda's duty to clarify who he is addressing.

Read posts in the thread. It is extremely very obvious that it is mtht.

Say, Arda meant Lal. Lal may not find discussion about Kemalism worthy in terms of the subject matter of this forum, and she has all the right not to respond. Or she just wants to quit the discussion because she feels cornered. In any case, not receiving a response does not give Arda the right to categorize anybody that does not answer his call for discussion.

Which of my words categorize somebody?

We don't need intellectual lynches for our opinions to be respected.

Since i have asked these questions in this thread only once, since when i got no respond i say nothing, since i didnt categorize anybody, since anybody cant show any clue about an intellectual lynch commited by me... doesnt your act share something with what you acused?

[hitite]

Let's start with the issue related AG. My question is: Why Kemal sheltered and protected war criminals/AG commiters?

Is this the famous question that all you denialist, revisionist, kemalist, proud of your country Turks are terrified to answer???

I really am confused which question it is...

By the way Gavur what on earth is a "self-denier"?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Is this the famous question that all you denialist, revisionist, kemalist, proud of your country Turks are terrified to answer???

I really am confused which question it is...

Yes that is the one... you gonna answer it?

[ardakilic]

Is this the famous question that all you denialist, revisionist, kemalist, proud of your country Turks are terrified to answer???

I really am confused which question it is...

I never claimed that Kemalists are terrified to answer this question (or questions). I mean what i say.

I just asked a question. No more no less...

[hitite]

Yes that is the one... you gonna answer it?

God forbid nooo.... taboo...

A good answer would probably be he sheltered war criminals and AG committers beacuse he needed them to finish off what the ITP-CUP blood in him was screaming at him to do: wipe the Armenian Race off the planet....

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

God forbid nooo.... taboo...

A good answer would probably be he sheltered war criminals and AG committers beacuse he needed them to finish off what the ITP-CUP blood in him was screaming at him to do: wipe the Armenian Race off the planet....

good answer indeed...and mostly truthfull....

[may]

1. Talat, Cemal, Cemal Azmi, Bahaettin Şakir, Süreyya Bey, Nusret Bey (yaver), Sait Halim Paşa, Nusret Bey (Urfa mutasarrıfı), Boğazlıyan kaymakamı Kemal Bey, Dr. Reşit Bey, Hafız Abdullah Avni, Servet Bey...

Going back to what I quoted from you: "They always ignore my questions Saco. And when they open their mouth to answer, the only thing appears baseless excuses."

So no wonder "they" ignore your questions, "they" are probably dead enough not to respond.

3. No. There can't be any -even!- clue that i see this as an obligation. What makes you so specially vengeful to me?

Vengeful? How did you come to this conclusion? I just did not like the tone of your request for your questions to be responded, that's all.

4. I didnot answer because Vahe replied (in a way that i dont approve).

Nice to know.

Where did i complain?

I dont grant them expression freedom! Which of my word implies such an act?

If you did read the posts, you would see i asked these questions mtht. Please look at his quasi-answers.

And you would see that this hostility explosion is deprived of base.

Which of my words categorize somebody?

....
Since i have asked these questions in this thread only once, since when i got no respond i say nothing, since i didnt categorize anybody, since anybody cant show any clue about an intellectual lynch commited by me... doesnt your act share something with what you acused?

If you mentioned people's names specifically, I would have no problem. But once you started to say "they" I started wondering who are "they"? They are this, they are that... You say it is mtht. Then tell it so explicitly. Otherwise, as happened after your post, people will be discussing names for who you meant. And once you use "they" and start definition of who they are, you are starting to categorize people.

I am not a Kemalist. I believe the Kemalist ideology imposes lots of additional problems. But I see no point of discussing Ataturk personally in this forum. That's why I do not engage in discussions. Your discussion of nation-state formation (which I believe why Kemalist ideology is there to discuss) was much more fruitful in terms of providing insight to our current problem.

Regarding the intellectual lynch: I would like to read your detailed posts (references would be sweet) instead of demanding answers to your questions from specific person that you engage in discussion. That will be more useful for everyone. Your post "Responsibles and Their End Plus" is such an example. If you still want to engage people specifically to teach them the truth, I would like to read "DID X person do that" first, instead of "WHY X person did that" to start it like a real discussion based on facts. Of course, these are my personal views, not the forum rules, however gives an idea of what I meant by "lynch".

And I just wanted clarification to your "they", nothing else. It was not an accusation. A personal critic of your attitude maybe...