Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Oh, come on Gegev, don't underestimate yourself, and overestimate an uncivilized primitive barbarian. I truly adore your writing.

Come on May, you are not primitive.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Kurds celebrate their first/major victory in their straggle for the autonomy/independence against Turks: the fact that they managed to get their own TV channel encourages and consolidates the whole nation.
Therefore further steps of the foundation of the Kurdish state in Turkey wouldn’t take much time and will be carried out rapidly. The predictions, currently made by politicians that Turkey is becoming the world’s primary battleground and source of instability, soon will become a reality.

In this situation blowing up the Turkish gas pipelines is going to become the major tool for the Kurdish rebellion to tell the developed counties, that they are not going to surrender their right for establishing Kurdish state in Turkey.

I think the pipelines builder’s investment feasibility studies are incorrect.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

I think the pipelines builder’s investment feasibility studies are incorrect.

Either that or the world might have a "Kurdish Question" upon their hands soon. After all, they replaced us Armenians with Kurds... nearly 100 years later, I think somebody is realizing it was a mistake.

[firat]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Kurds celebrate their first/major victory in their straggle for the autonomy/independence against Turks: the fact that they managed to get their own TV channel encourages and consolidates the whole nation.
Therefore further steps of the foundation of the Kurdish state in Turkey wouldn’t take much time and will be carried out rapidly. The predictions, currently made by politicians that Turkey is becoming the world’s primary battleground and source of instability, soon will become a reality.

In this situation blowing up the Turkish gas pipelines is going to become the major tool for the Kurdish rebellion to tell the developed counties, that they are not going to surrender their right for establishing Kurdish state in Turkey.

I think the pipelines builder’s investment feasibility studies are incorrect.

Inter-dependency between countries is going to be one of the key phenomenons in 21th century which will contribute to the relatively peaceful environment in the world. EU project at the beginning of mid-20th century might be a good example of this situation in context of providing the stable and peaceful environment in Europe.

I am a person who sincerely believe that Kurds were terrible oppressed in Turkey. However, the gas pipelines is completely another issue. Kurdish national movement in Turkey was not, is not and will not be a movement which totally develops from its own dynamics. It has always got support from foreign intelligence services, foreign countries and whatsoever. I do not need the necessity to mention these countries now. These pipelines will not be only some possesion of Turkey. De facto, they will always be in the possesion of some sort of an international consortium. As long as Europeans and Americans have some benefit to get from/by Turkey (ofcourse we'll have our own as well), seperatist Kurds can do no harm to Turkey.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Inter-dependency between countries is going to be one of the key phenomenons in 21th century which will contribute to the relatively peaceful environment in the world. EU project at the beginning of mid-20th century might be a good example of this situation in context of providing the stable and peaceful environment in Europe.

I am a person who sincerely believe that Kurds were terrible oppressed in Turkey. However, the gas pipelines is completely another issue. Kurdish national movement in Turkey was not, is not and will not be a movement which totally develops from its own dynamics. It has always got support from foreign intelligence services, foreign countries and whatsoever. I do not need the necessity to mention these countries now. These pipelines will not be only some possesion of Turkey. De facto, they will always be in the possesion of some sort of an international consortium. As long as Europeans and Americans have some benefit to get from/by Turkey (ofcourse we'll have our own as well), seperatist Kurds can do no harm to Turkey.

Kurds in Turkey don't see themselves as part of Turkey just like Kurds in Iraq don't see themselves as Iraqis. It's a matter of time until they form a successful revolt in the region. I do agree that it is always an outside force that uses the Kurds for pawns but I think a time will come when they could band together and develop a movement on their own.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Kurds in Turkey don't see themselves as part of Turkey just like Kurds in Iraq don't see themselves as Iraqis. It's a matter of time until they form a successful revolt in the region. I do agree that it is always an outside force that uses the Kurds for pawns but I think a time will come when they could band together and develop a movement on their own.

Soon, when US troops are out of Iraq: Kurdish factor will be augmented in the Region. Now they are Federative Iraq’s Kurdish Republic. But as the Iraqi current developments indicate vividly: the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds conduct de facto war against each other and only the US presence prevents them breaking down Iraq into three independent states. Thus Iraq’s break down is inevitable. And then the Kurdish State created in Iraq (or at least the Kurdish Republic of the Federative Iraq) will accelerate the Kurdish rebellion movement in Turkey: resulting in splitting down it into several parts: the smallest part will belong to Seljuks.

Recently EU made a statement that Turkey in terms of Minority human rights should take vigorous action to improve their record in it, if they want to join EU.

But when the Minority human rights are not violated in Turkey, non Turk/Seljuk population demographics will be changed dramatically; to reflect reality. Many converted/canceled Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians will return to their roots and the total sum of the so called minorities will outnumber the Seljuk.
And then the Seljuks will become minority there, as it is in fact.

Link:

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1504282.php/Council-of-Europe-very-concerned-over-Turkey-minority-rights

Council of Europe "very concerned" over Turkey minority rights Strasbourg, France
- Turkey must do more to protect the rights of minority ethnic groups such as Kurds, the Council of Europe's commissioner for human rights said in a report Thursday, saying that he was 'very concerned' by some current restrictions.

[Army]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Actually theres a huge conflice between Israel and Obama's USA over Turkey.

Israel wants to keep the current status of Turkey: As a bad brother in the region, only friendly with Israel.

Obama's USA and current government in Turkey wants a 'leading' Turkey in the region. That is why every week a minister visits Syria; Erdogan talks against Israel, the Armenian-Turkish relationship thing, dialogue with Kurds...

The truth is, Obama is not Armenians' friend. Obama wants to control Middle East over Turkey. And non-hawk lobby in USA is planning to balance Iran's influence in the region with Turkey.

Just a few examples; US can not stand in Iraq forever, we all know that. When US soldiers return home, Iraq would be left onto the nap of Iran. Only Turkey can lead Iraq into the Western-orbit.

I've travelled some Arabic states this summer and I've seen that, the people there are favoring Turkey a lot. They see Turkey as an ideal Muslim state. They might have been supporting the recognizition of the genocide, however that does not change the fact that, they think Turkey is better than any other Arabic states.

So, as a model; as a power in the region; as a good-friend of USA; and as a good-friend of Israel; as a good economy; good influence; as a Muslim Sunni state.....

C'mon; nobody in Washington would want to split such a country for unbalanced smaller states.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

They see Turkey as an ideal Muslim state.
If that is true then it is a sad time we live in. A country based on barberism and murder is somehow seen as a ideal state of some sort. Give me a break, there is nothing to idealize about turckey. The only reason those arabic states are not developing is because isreal and usa wont let them.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

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The truth is, Obama is not Armenians' friend. Obama wants to control Middle East over Turkey. And non-hawk lobby in USA is planning to balance Iran's influence in the region with Turkey.

Just a few examples; US can not stand in Iraq forever, we all know that. When US soldiers return home, Iraq would be left onto the nap of Iran. Only Turkey can lead Iraq into the Western-orbit.
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C'mon; nobody in Washington would want to split such a country for unbalanced smaller states.

De facto truth is that regardless of Obama’s desire USA can’t stop severe fighting among Sunni, Sheit and Kurds. Under Saddam dictatorship it didn’t happen much, but now after occupying the country America can’t, is unable, to stop the violence in Iraq, instead it gradually increases and now that’s out of US army control. How can you hope that after US troops are out of Iraq and when there is no another mighty dictator like Saddam: the violence and alienation among the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds for the oil reserves etc. will stop.

Do you believe that the task that US couldn’t carry out, Turkey can? And Turks will be able to consolidate Iraq, although they are in a state of war with Iraqi Kurds (remember air strikes) and are facing increased Kurdish opposition inside.
Note please that there are things that even America can’t do: look closely at Iraq and Afghanistan invasion devastating results, China’s growing economic/military might and America’s economic decline.
Please support your statements with some solid argumentation.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

De facto truth is that regardless of Obama’s desire USA can’t stop severe fighting among Sunni, Sheit and Kurds. Under Saddam dictatorship it didn’t happen much, but now after occupying the country America can’t, is unable, to stop the violence in Iraq, instead it gradually increases and now that’s out of US army control. How can you hope that after US troops are out of Iraq and when there is no another mighty dictator like Saddam: the violence and alienation among the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds for the oil reserves etc. will stop.

Do you believe that the task that US couldn’t carry out, Turkey can? And Turks will be able to consolidate Iraq, although they are in a state of war with Iraqi Kurds (remember air strikes) and are facing increased Kurdish opposition inside.
Note please that there are things that even America can’t do: look closely at Iraq and Afghanistan invasion devastating results, China’s growing economic/military might and America’s economic decline.
Please support your statements with some solid argumentation.

Iran, Turkey and Syria together could probably consolidate Iraq, but that is quite unlikely since the West along with Israel keeps poking into everyone else's domestic affairs. They could also tear Iraq apart into 3. Turkey needs to be divided up into provinces before parts of it can be chewed off