History of the Armenian Genocide

[KanadaHye]

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I still cannot see a reason why bolsahyes living in America would use Turkish as the main language in the household, for generation after generation. Practically all BeirutaHyes today were Western Armenians who lived under Turks for over 600 years, and almost all Beirutahye families knew how to speak Turkish when they settled in Lebanon after the genocide. However, you won't see Beirutahyes speaking Turkish or Arabic in their households. In fact, the Turkish language among BeirutaHyes went extinct in just 1 generation. So I wonder what the deal is with most bolsahyes who move out of Turkey and are still unable to get rid of these old habits.

It depends on the family and education really. I know Bolsahyes whose parents never knew how to speak Armenian in the first place. Depending on where they lived, some Armenians had to hide their identity more than others. A lot of Bolsahyes whose parents know Armenian, migrated and had kids in North America, they don't even know anything but English. Most likely if the kids were born in North America unless the parents were strict with language, the kids didn't learn Armenian. If they migrated from Turkey at a young age then chances are they know Turkish and Armenian.

For example, my mom has cousins the same age as her who migrated to different parts of the world. Her cousins from South America kept their Armenian culture until they came to the U.S. where their kids just became American. Other cousins who migrated to America don't know a word of Armenian. My mom remained in Turkey much longer and she knows how to read and write Armenian. I'm guessing the generation after her when TV and the media blew up in Turkey probably helped speed up the assimilation process.

What I don't get is how those that went to Armenian schools don't know Armenian... as if once they left gradeschool/highschool, the North American culture just over ruled anything they learned as a kid.

A lot of Armenians from Iraq, Lebanon, etc know both Armenian and Turkish if they had grandparents in the house.

[ArmSurvival]

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Same way it's survival when Armenians in America only know how to speak English.

Trust me, I agree with you here. Assimilation into any foreign culture is never good for us, but its especially disgusting when we abandon our culture in order to perpetuate one which directly tried to wipe ours away and continues to do so.

Psychologically if you want to succeed, you have to blend in as much as possible. The difference being an Armenian in Turkey is more like an African American in America. You're already born with a disability.

I still cannot see a reason why bolsahyes living in America would use Turkish as the main language in the household, for generation after generation. Practically all BeirutaHyes today were Western Armenians who lived under Turks for over 600 years, and almost all Beirutahye families knew how to speak Turkish when they settled in Lebanon after the genocide. However, you won't see Beirutahyes speaking Turkish or Arabic in their households. In fact, the Turkish language among BeirutaHyes went extinct in just 1 generation. So I wonder what the deal is with most bolsahyes who move out of Turkey and are still unable to get rid of these old habits.

To have only an armenian firstname or surname, to visit an armenian church several times a year, without understanding one word during "badarak" is not enough to be an armenian.

Amen.

[KanadaHye]

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I've read that piece and others by Jack Manuelian. I like his stuff. I thought you were going to connect the british with it too, as in their government had an overt role in it, or even covert one.

Aside from the British royalties having blood ties with the ruling German authorities... heard of family feuds before but I'd say being on opposite ends of a world war is rather suspicious.

David Lloyd George had his reasons for why the British abandoned Armenians.....

However, there were other reasons for the abandonment of Armenia too. Lloyd George later confessed, “Oil outweighed the blood of Armenians.” Similarly, the aforementioned Oliver Baldwin, suggested that Armenia would not have been deserted had there been oil wells there.

“ It was the actions of the British government that led to the massacres of 1894-96, 1909 and worst of all, the Holocaust of 1915”. Yet the British Government has failed, and still is failing in addressing their role in these wrongs."

http://www.armenian-genocide.info/20...july-1923.html

[Armanen]

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If you like to read the whole thing.

http://www.whale.to/b/manuelian.html

I know some people will say that’s not a reliable source, but it is quoted from a book called “Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution” it’s not what he thinks how it happened.
To other people that judge without even reading or read but don’t want to understand, I can say only this: You can take a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink.

I've read that piece and others by Jack Manuelian. I like his stuff. I thought you were going to connect the british with it too, as in their government had an overt role in it, or even covert one.

[Yedtarts]

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No, I think maybe the answers are too simplistic. Perhaps if you provided more detail.

"Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan xxxs in the format of a syncretist xxxish-Muslim sect which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam posting as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient loge/hotel of Salonika."

If you like to read the whole thing.

http://www.whale.to/b/manuelian.html

I know some people will say that’s not a reliable source, but it is quoted from a book called “Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution” it’s not what he thinks how it happened.
To other people that judge without even reading or read but don’t want to understand, I can say only this: You can take a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink.

[KanadaHye]

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Thank you for your support dear brother, indeed I am really very sad about those armenians who lives in Istanbul like a turk.
If a armenian has real armenian blood in his blood vessels, can't think and feel like a turk, speak only turkish everywhere, can't love the turkish culture, listening whole day only turkish music and watching turkish tv.
To have only an armenian firstname or surname, to visit an armenian church several times a year, without understanding one word during "badarak" is not enough to be an armenian.

Turkish music and tv is nothing more than American music and tv with Turkish words. Turkish culture is stolen from Armenians and Greeks and every other culture that lived in Anatolia. There are also a million Turkish citizens that have Armenian blood from children that were orphaned and stolen and raised by Turks. Turkey isn't even a Turkish state, it's a fake country that transformed to fool its own people. Turks should be ashamed to support their government that lies to little Turkish children about their heritage.

[Hayayrun]

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You put into words exactly what I was thinking/feeling this afternoon after hearing 10-15 different "Armenians" speaking Turkish to one another. I totally agree with you. I've met a minority of bolsahyes who agree as well. I'm glad to see there are more bolsahyes with your attitude.





I agree with you to a certain extent, but how is it "survival" when bolsahyes come to America and Canada and their household language is Turkish?

Thank you for your support dear brother, indeed I am really very sad about those armenians who lives in Istanbul like a turk.
If a armenian has real armenian blood in his blood vessels, can't think and feel like a turk, speak only turkish everywhere, can't love the turkish culture, listening whole day only turkish music and watching turkish tv.
To have only an armenian firstname or surname, to visit an armenian church several times a year, without understanding one word during "badarak" is not enough to be an armenian.

[KanadaHye]

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If anyone wants to learn more about the Berlin to Baghdad railway, I've found a book on its history and if you look hard enough you can find an ebook. If you can't, feel free to msg me and I'll be glad to send you a link.



As the first study to document the Baghdad Railway construction rather than the rhetoric surrounding it, this work challenges nearly a century of scholarship on German imperialism and Ottoman decline. McMurray unearths the fascinating, intercultural dimension of the railway and provides a comprehensive, detailed account of the Ottoman contribution. His work denies the German character of the railway by showing it to be an exclusively Ottoman enterprise designed by German engineers, funded by international capital, and built by a veritable army of Ottoman subjects.

[KanadaHye]

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Your point on the contrary should make Armenians feel just as much animosity towards Kurds as to Turks since they will be a bigger obstacle in the future of our liberation of Western Armenia than the Turks given how they live and breed there like rabbits.

The reason why Armenians don't give a fuk about the Kurds is because they didn't plan the genocide, they were used as tools, they currently recognise the AG (of course, we all know why) and we want them to bring the Turkish government to its knees and vice versa, weaken each other, shouneh shounin miseh togh oudeh.

That's what I was implying, the Turks own the Kurds so the problem will eventually solve itself when the Kurds attempt to escape the domain of the Turks. When time comes to pay debts, the payments are usually life threatening.

[Federate]

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I'd hate to call it like it is but the reason why there isn't as much animosity towards Kurds as Turks within the Armenian sphere is because the Kurds have nothing to give as their occupation of Armenian lands is still under Turkish domain.

Your point on the contrary should make Armenians feel just as much animosity towards Kurds as to Turks since they will be a bigger obstacle in the future of our liberation of Western Armenia than the Turks given how they live and breed there like rabbits.

The reason why Armenians don't give a fuk about the Kurds is because they didn't plan the genocide, they were used as tools, they currently recognise the AG (of course, we all know why) and we want them to bring the Turkish government to its knees and vice versa, weaken each other, shouneh shounin miseh togh oudeh.