History of the Armenian Genocide

[Yedtarts]

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Maybe in front of public eyes French tried to show the world that they loved and cared for Armenians but in isolated areas and villages they tried to assimilate us and other orthodox Christians by every possible ways. I think this was a conspiracy that was conspired against orthodox Christians in that region and every big country had their dirty hands in it. We heard stories from our grandparents how French and English forces quietly left in the middle of the night just before turks came the next morning and massacred whole villages.
French did to my mother’s village and some other Armenian villages in Syria (these regions were part of Cilician kingdom long time ago) almost the same as turks did to Armenians in Cilicia by trying to assimilate them in every methods possible, by not allowing them to learn Armenian in their schools, closing Armenian churches, they brought in Franciscan missionaries and built a big church with a big school attached to it, they gave food and financial aid to the ones willing to convert, and once someone was converted they started brainwashing them in school or at church to hate their fellow Armenians, every once a while inflicting fights amongst them, sometimes these fights ended up with them killing each other. Most of the villagers were somehow related to each other. While turks were massacring Armenians in that region they refused to give Armenians a shelter and protection unless they were willing to convert. It was an Arab Muslim tribe who protected Armenians in that village against turkish massacres.

[KanadaHye]

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Are you really trying to tell me that broken promises are worse than mass killings?

It's like having the power to lead sheep to slaughter knowing what their fate will be.

[Armanen]

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Actually it was worse. The French did to the Armenians what the Americans did to the Iraqis. They made promises which they didn't keep. They threw their muscle around but didn't allocate a sufficient amount of military resources to protect Armenian interests in Cilicia. They turned around and conspired with the Kemalists.

Are you really trying to tell me that broken promises are worse than mass killings?

[KanadaHye]

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I agree with you to a certain extent, but how is it "survival" when bolsahyes come to America and Canada and their household language is Turkish?

Same way it's survival when Armenians in America only know how to speak English. Psychologically if you want to succeed, you have to blend in as much as possible. The difference being an Armenian in Turkey is more like an African American in America. You're already born with a disability.

[KanadaHye]

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Did you gloss over what Federate wrote? The French did not attempt to kill off the Armenian people, and then deny it for 90 + years. The French do not put political, social, and psychological constrants on what an Armenian can do and say. These are obvious things which I had expected you to know already.

Actually it was worse. The French did to the Armenians what the Americans did to the Iraqis. They made promises which they didn't keep. They threw their muscle around but didn't allocate a sufficient amount of military resources to protect Armenian interests in Cilicia. They turned around and conspired with the Kemalists.

[ArmSurvival]

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I was born in Istanbul/Turkey and live since 42 years in Munic/Germany. I feel ashamed to be an armenian from turkey, because they speak everywhere in the publicity and even in their own houses only turkish. Most of them didn't know even armenian language.
They are such a way assimilate that there is no difference between a turk or a "turkisch-armenian".
I myself hate the turks like the "pest", becauce they did during the whole history so many bad things including several genocide against armenian population. Turks didn't respekt armenians and use the word "ermeni" as a swear word. Turks every year celebrate the erstwhile mass murderer. In Istanbul are many street names with erstwhile mass murderer. Turks are still proud of that they have murdered so many armenians.
In consideration of all this negative aspects how is it posible to love as an turkish-armenian the turks and the turkish culture?
In my eyes turkish-armenians aren't pure armenians they are pseudo turks, of course not all of them, there are some exceptions.

You put into words exactly what I was thinking/feeling this afternoon after hearing 10-15 different "Armenians" speaking Turkish to one another. I totally agree with you. I've met a minority of bolsahyes who agree as well. I'm glad to see there are more bolsahyes with your attitude.

I agree that many Armenians living in Turkey have embraced Turkish culture but it's no different than Armenians living in America that have embraced American culture or those in the Middle East who have embraced Arabic culture. I find it's a necessary evil for survival as long as they don't forget their Armenian culture and identity.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but how is it "survival" when bolsahyes come to America and Canada and their household language is Turkish?

[Armanen]

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So why should they leave the land that their ancestors lived on? France has 500,000 Armenians who are more French than Armenian and look how the French betrayed Armenians in Cilicia. The British deceived us. We pretty much got screwed by everyone.

Did you gloss over what Federate wrote? The French did not attempt to kill off the Armenian people, and then deny it for 90 + years. The French do not put political, social, and psychological constrants on what an Armenian can do and say. These are obvious things which I had expected you to know already.

[bell-the-cat]

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Dear Armanen,

I am positively surprised, that you support my unorthodox opinion.

That shows how little you know. The internet is a haven for the likes of you, so obviously your little hatefest of "unorthodox" opinions are in the majority HERE. But based on opinions I've heard in real life, and what Armenians from Turkey have told me, your views are probably in the majority in real life amongst Armenians. Doubtless in your head you have extended your opinion into a complete ranking of the bad to good to very best sort of "Armenians" depending on where they originated from.

[KanadaHye]

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We all know this. The point is that turkey committed Genocide, denies it to this day, and these 'Armenians' are still living in this country and are more turkish in culture than Armenian in culture.

So why should they leave the land that their ancestors lived on? France has 500,000 Armenians who are more French than Armenian and look how the French betrayed Armenians in Cilicia. The British deceived us. We pretty much got screwed by everyone.

[Federate]

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Well put. I did goodle Melissa and just got results of her on facebook. Is there something specific on her you could link me to? Also, she may want to change her last name, B*z is not a good lastname to have in Armenian.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/11376-Armenia-and-the-information-war?p=288882&highlight=melisa#post288882

And I agree LOL. Such an unfortunate last name to have in Armenia.