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Oil was one of the reasons, protecting British crown interests in India was the biggest at the time.
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Re: The sense of loss?
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
OIL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
OIL HAD NO IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER IN ANY ACTIONS UNDERTAKEN BY TURKEY IN WW1.
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Originally posted by ferdi2So you suggest a far-flung theory about Oil and the AG and I'm supposed to provide evidence to the contrary? That's not the way it works my furry back friend. The onus of proof is on you not me. I'm not the one making all the wild assertions.
Originally posted by ferdi2Izzatso? But this fact somehow just happened reveal itself to you, the chosen one, aka the Armenian Moses. Or you watched one above average documentary Blood & Oil (probably because Armenians had nothing to do with it) and now take it as gospel.
And the above documentary was released in 2006. My research stems back to late 2000, early 2001. So no. That documentary had very little to do with my research on the role oil/railway played in all this. Nice attempt at a hyperbole, or straw man argument, though.
Originally posted by ferdi2Here's a thought. Perhaps if you stopped mixing the truth with half-truths, then just maybe I and other Turks might actually start to take what you say seriously and support your cause. But then again you could probably care less what we think right? After all your probably doing is just playing to the diaspora gallery anyway.
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostCurrent Turkish propaganda says that Turkey was a completely innocent victim of WW1, duped by Germany and invaded by Russia. Part of that propaganda, which you are reproducing here, says that Germany just wanted Turkey as an ally so it could get access to the oilfields at Baku, and Britain was fighting Turkey because Britain also wanted to control of those oilfields and their associated pipelines and wanted to protect its interests. This Turkish propaganda is probably derived from Bolshevik Russian propaganda invented to justify their invasion of the Transcaucasian republics. The Bolsheviks claimed those republics were unsupported by their populatons and they were just puppet states of British imperialists intent on controlling the Baku oil-fields and their pipelines.
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostOIL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
OIL HAD NO IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER IN ANY ACTIONS UNDERTAKEN BY TURKEY IN WW1.
SELF-PROCLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT ON THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
Originally posted by Gavur View PostI think if we start banning Genocide deniers we'd lose nothing,because their only purpose here (other then trying to make us feel good)is conducting propaganda for other Turk's.
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Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostAnd he is not alone in his "cretinacy" - sometimes visiting this forum is like taking a trip to the Monroeville Mall, where the few thinking humans try to avoid the horde of roaming, mindless zombies.
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Originally posted by Palavra View PostAnd you talk about democracy, freedom of speach bla bla bla. Democracy for only yourself? whatever, no need to answer. I will not listen your tale about hate, genocide bla bla.
bla,bla,bla...?
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Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Postsometimes visiting this forum is like taking a trip to the Monroeville Mall, where the few thinking humans try to avoid the horde of roaming, mindless zombies.
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Originally posted by ferdi2Your really are a cretin. For your info, I'm one of the few Turks here who actually believes it was a genocide, but just sick of the exaggerations. But talk amongst yourselves if you so desire. I think Bell was right about you.
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Originally posted by Crimson Glow View PostSecondly comes a major key that is often overlooked when discussing the reasoning behind the Armenian genocide: OIL! The Ottomans had lots of it, and the Germans wanted access to it. An agreement was reached to extend the "Silk Road/Orient Express" on through Baghdad, and up to Germany. In exchange, the Germans would help the Turks pave the way for such a project by getting the Armenians, who resided on large chunks of the necessary lands, out of the way. This a huge part of the reason an alliance was formed in the first place between the OE, and the German Empire.
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostAnd you oil nonsense is lifted straight from 1920s Bolshevik propaganda (invented to justify their occupation of the Caucasus republics). Turkey, never one to miss a trick, has just adapted that old lie for their own use.Originally posted by Crimson Glow View PostTurkey denies oil, or the building of railroads had anything to do with the relocation of the Armenians. In fact, this is a very little known, little talked about fact by ANYone about the genocide, including most Armenians. And where did the Russians come up in all this? They had nothing to do with the oil issue one way, or the other.
OIL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
OIL HAD NO IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER IN ANY ACTIONS UNDERTAKEN BY TURKEY IN WW1.Last edited by bell-the-cat; 05-11-2009, 11:26 AM.
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I think if we start banning Genocide deniers we'd lose nothing,because their only purpose here (other then trying to make us feel good)is conducting propaganda for other Turk's.
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Originally posted by ferdi2So at face value you have provided:
W O Henderson- Pages 215-218 = 3 pages
Manus I Midlarsky- Pages 77-79 = 2 pages
and a Wiki Reference.
Basically a few of pages in obscure publications and you allow yourself to draw the longest bow possible i.e. that Oil was a major factor in the AG. Even without reading a page it seems far fetched and unconvincing. I would have expected encyclopedia's to be written about if it had any substance.
This is classic Armenian diaspora deception in action. You draw flimsy parrallels (ie. Nazi Germany for sympathy), exaggerate facts (i.e. influence of Oil and rail) , inflate figures (deaths 1.5+ or even 2m+ for 'marketing' impact in foreign parliaments), distort the reality (i.e. Armenians were the center of the universe standing in the way of the axis of evil for world domination) and expect everyone else to swallow this hook, line and sinker.
My "drawing of flimsy parallels to nazi Germany", I take to be the book on German Colonial History. Pity you didn't read this as it deals with Southern Africa up to 1918. Another confusion in your view of history.
The nazi party wasn't formed until the 1920s and took power in 1933, long after the period covered by that book. Isn't this the second time you've confused nazis and WW1?
As regards citing obscure publications, a books accuracy has no link whatsoever to its availability or number of copies printed/sold. Perhaps we should all just use the latest "Top 10" list for reference?
You should read historical books instead of hysterical books.
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