Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

New program against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • New program against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

    Christian houses in Istanbul marked

    05.09.2009 18:55 GMT+04:00

    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Christian houses in the Ferikoy und Kurtulus, areas in Istanbul, where many Armenians and Greeks live, were marked with red or green labels in the past weeks, Die Presse reported.

    The labels appear to be in conjunction with complaints from Christians about increasing harassment, according to Sehabat Tuncel, a member of parliament asked in a parliamentary questioning.

    Besir Atalay, minister of interior, is now forced to answer these allegations. “Who affixed these markings?” is only one of the questions cited by the press. The ministry must also make clear whether the police received orders to take action and investigate.

    The marking on Christian buildings in Istanbul is a reminder of pogrom against Christian minorities in September 1955. Back then Christian buildings and shops had been marked by nationalist activists. The bloody riots with dozens of dead in Istanbul and Izmir were ostensibly triggered by the Cyprus conflict; however, the true reason was the search for scapegoats at a time of economic recession for Turkey.

    Link

  • #2
    Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

    I have reliable source in Istanbul that tells me , if anything close to a pogrom can start they will snuff the suspects out like a wet match. They know where they are also.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

      Originally posted by Gavur View Post
      I have reliable source in Istanbul that tells me , if anything close to a pogrom can start they will snuff the suspects out like a wet match. They know where they are also.
      Well "they" always did....
      Death or Freedom!

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

        Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
        Christian houses in Istanbul marked
        The marking on Christian buildings in Istanbul is a reminder of pogrom against Christian minorities in September 1955. Back then Christian buildings and shops had been marked by nationalist activists. The bloody riots with dozens of dead in Istanbul and Izmir were ostensibly triggered by the Cyprus conflict; however, the true reason was the search for scapegoats at a time of economic recession for Turkey.
        For the record, the 1955 pogroms had nothing to do with Cyprus. Istanbul in 1955 lagged behind the rest of Turkey's purification from indigenous Christians, at least a fourth of the city was non-muslim.

        The Turkish Intelligence Agency (MIT) bombed Ataturk's childhoood House in Selanik (modern day Thessalonica, Greece) under a falseflag operation that was blamed on radical Greeks. This was done to provoke retribution by Turks on the huge Greek population in Istanbul.

        The Turks who looted and burned the Greek quarter were actually SHIPPED in from conservative Anatolian towns. Hrant Dink's murderer was also not from Istanbul, he was shipped in from the black sea city of Trabzon. Turks in Istanbul, especially in 1955, would have never committed such a crime.

        The 1955 pogrom was carefully planned by the Turkish State. '

        -
        As for the current markings, i wouldn't be too concerned. There will always be people harassing Armenians in Istanbul. What matters is if the STATE is involved or not, which I doubt. A honestly believe even in Hrant Dink's murder that the Turkish state was not directly involved.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

          Tomris Giritlioglu made a film about the events in september 1955, Guz sancisi (Autumn pain). It came out this year. For the people that are interested:


          Official site:
          http://www.guzsancisi.net

          Trailer:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWvA-dqttSk

          Film:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8AP4B9xutE
          You should always feel in the deepest part of your heart any injustice toward any person anywhere in the world.

          Che Guevara

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

            Thank you, with English subtiles too, fantastik.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

              Originally posted by egeli View Post
              For the record, the 1955 pogroms had nothing to do with Cyprus. Istanbul in 1955 lagged behind the rest of Turkey's purification from indigenous Christians, at least a fourth of the city was non-muslim.

              The Turkish Intelligence Agency (MIT) bombed Ataturk's childhoood House in Selanik (modern day Thessalonica, Greece) under a falseflag operation that was blamed on radical Greeks. This was done to provoke retribution by Turks on the huge Greek population in Istanbul.

              The Turks who looted and burned the Greek quarter were actually SHIPPED in from conservative Anatolian towns. Hrant Dink's murderer was also not from Istanbul, he was shipped in from the black sea city of Trabzon. Turks in Istanbul, especially in 1955, would have never committed such a crime.

              The 1955 pogrom was carefully planned by the Turkish State. '

              -
              As for the current markings, i wouldn't be too concerned. There will always be people harassing Armenians in Istanbul. What matters is if the STATE is involved or not, which I doubt. A honestly believe even in Hrant Dink's murder that the Turkish state was not directly involved.
              I agree with most of what you said however I would like to add that in 1963 - although I wouldn`t call it exactly a pogrom - the remaining Greeks were deported to Greece as a punishment for those TC`s who were killed in the intercommunal fightings between the GC`s and TC`s on Cyprus.

              It was all organized from the beginning to get rid of the Greeks who were living in Istanbul.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                ....and what a huge loss for Turkey.
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                  Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                  Thank you, with English subtiles too, fantastik.
                  Gavur, try this one instead.It has better audio sync.Make sure you enable your YouTube captions or the English subtitles by clicking the menu button located on the bottom right of the video player.


                  Part 1---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br-xyLdnXZc

                  Part 2---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdAOK7NyJzw

                  Part 3---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMt3phcrTA

                  Part 4---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAJNboJqog

                  Part 5---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjh8SK4bgzI

                  Part 6---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvC5lp7dipU

                  Part 7---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMrLfzqTif0

                  Part 8---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_uzluo0J9o

                  Part 9---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWco56PySaU

                  Part 10---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nI5ZJTD0E

                  Part 11---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE6nce7m1hM

                  Part 12---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvH-7FiI8FI

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                    Thanks for the clips!

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X