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  • #21
    Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post

    Have ever passed your mind why they are so antiturkish?
    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    This what I call real funn!! Brainwashid turks !!!! Love them....
    Oh yeah, just like there is a "reason" why Turks were anti-Armenian/Greek, there is also a "reason" they are anti-Turkish right?

    Brainwashed? Look who is talking!

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    • #22
      Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

      Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
      OK , lets do it!

      If Eti never heard of it that must be not true! Right?
      Eti did you ever heard that first socialist party active in territory of turkey/Ottoman Empire was an Armenian party? But that is true, like a lot of other things you never heard of.





      That's why the socialists Turks (the real ones not the fascist) value and treasure us Armenians, because of that reason.Eti is unfortunately is one of those majority of Turks that doesn't know hes a Fasho.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #23
        Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

        Originally posted by may View Post
        Oh yeah, just like there is a "reason" why Turks were anti-Armenian/Greek, there is also a "reason" they are anti-Turkish right?
        What is the reason they are anti -Armenian? Do we live on turkish land? Did we commite a Genocide against turks? Did we kill , rape , torture millions of turks?

        xxxx YOU!
        Death or Freedom!

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        • #24
          Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

          Originally posted by may View Post
          Brainwashed? Look who is talking!
          I am talking. Any questions?
          Death or Freedom!

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          • #25
            Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

            Originally posted by may View Post
            Eti, your logic results in a cycle that produces nothing but pain for the nations. You can never know who was the first to do an action and who re-acted it. It is just like a kid fight with no actual one to blame, but unfortunately not as naive as fighting over a toy because the pain it brings is irreversible.

            I am not a native speaker but at least for me, the word "reason" is more like a word that points out a natural cause that will inevitably result in the same events. If something is wrongly executed, the reason hardly matters. The things happened in past can show us why other events happened, but it should not be mentioned as "justifications" of wrongly done actions. The way to approach it, is to analyze whether another action was possible to solve problem at hand differently. Be sure, similar problems would occur again, then if you know how "not to solve" it, you are one step closer to a better way.

            And while speaking about events that are associated with death tolls, one should be more selective about the words, and expressions. "Small price" is such an example.
            I agree completely
            You should always feel in the deepest part of your heart any injustice toward any person anywhere in the world.

            Che Guevara

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            • #26
              Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

              Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

              I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

              Quote:

              “Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

              W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

              Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.

              It is very simple, no need to be a genious to understand what was happening. Armenians wanted to found their own independent state in the East Anatolia and were rebelling against Turks (in fact, to say Muslims is more correct). Afterwards, Anatolian Greeks wanted to come under the rule of Greece, so they helped and supported the invasion of Greek army in the Western Anatolia.

              Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t. So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.

              It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).

              Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.

              And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?

              Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.
              Last edited by Eti; 09-11-2009, 07:36 AM.

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              • #27
                Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                Originally posted by Eti View Post
                Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

                I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

                Quote:

                “Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

                W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

                Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.

                It is very simple, no need to be a genious to understand what was happening. Armenians wanted to found their own independent state in the East Anatolia and were rebelling against Turks (in fact, to say Muslims is more correct). Afterwards, Anatolian Greeks wanted to come under the rule of Greece, so they helped and supported the invasion of Greek army in the Western Anatolia.

                Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t. So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.

                It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).

                Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.

                And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?

                Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.
                My young fascist, your way is not the right way, its only a simple minded way, you want easy answers that require no education or serious thought (or no thought,) nor maturity.When Childs is referring to the Turk, he's merely referring it as the authority, the state .A state that has oppressed its citizens (subject millets w/Christians). Don't forget there was a revolution and revolution won , until it turned fascist and turned on its Christian partners.We got back stepped and massacred to be able you to be fascist today.When will you wake up the state is not you the people it just works for you and is supposed to do everything in its peoples best interest.That to this day still hasn't happened.It can start to happen only if you wake up and be counted for real justice, freedom and equality.
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #28
                  Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

                  I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

                  Quote:

                  “Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

                  W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

                  Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.
                  It is very simplified opinion. I do not know about what hate betvin Greeks and Armenians the guy is talking but the fact is: Greeks and Armenians didn’t kill each other wile turks have permanently killed (eliminate) Armenians and Greeks.



                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t.
                  You are wrong, Armenians were indid majority in Western Armenia.



                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.
                  Wrong again. Massacre is a turkish way of resolving problem. It is understandable why you make such hypotheses as it is part of your mentality.
                  Well not all nations are barbaric try to understand that.

                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).
                  Well here i can agree with you, there was even an American/Armenian College in Aintab. But even if Armenians didnt like to live with muslims they were not going to massacre them. (Remember: not barbaric!)

                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.
                  Yes everything is mutual betvin Murderer and Victim. Right? LOL

                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?
                  Interesting Idea. No they wouldnt. Actually friend of mine bought a property in Van. He was forced to sell it and go away.

                  Originally posted by Eti View Post
                  Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.
                  I think they did the right thing
                  Last edited by Mukuch; 09-12-2009, 12:41 AM.
                  Death or Freedom!

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                  • #29
                    Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                    Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                    My young fascist, your way is not the right way, its only a simple minded way, you want easy answers that require no education or serious thought (or no thought,) nor maturity.When Childs is referring to the Turk, he's merely referring it as the authority, the state .A state that has oppressed its citizens (subject millets w/Christians). Don't forget there was a revolution and revolution won , until it turned fascist and turned on its Christian partners.We got back stepped and massacred to be able you to be fascist today.When will you wake up the state is not you the people it just works for you and is supposed to do everything in its peoples best interest.That to this day still hasn't happened.It can start to happen only if you wake up and be counted for real justice, freedom and equality.
                    I think you didn’t read it from beginning to end, except Child’s words. Anyway forget it. But life is simple, so questions and their aswers as well. There are no walking Schopenhauers or Einsteins in the streets of our cities, towns or villages all around the world, just simple-minded people trying to make money to live.

                    I have no idea about your politcal view, but we (daha çok abilerimiz, Deniz Gezmiş leri bilirsin belki), (that is our older comrades with Kurds too) wanted to create a Socialist Turkey for everyone to live together but we (they) failed. Then K. Evren made a fascist military coup in 1980.

                    We had woken up years ago and now I personally am preparing to get back to new sleep. Because everything has changed a lot in this Wild Capitalist World. So life isn’t worth doing such actions again.

                    It is so weird that there is an Islamic Party that has been the most Liberal in Turkish Republic’s history. It seems they will solve the problems, at least a bit.

                    NOW PLEASE REPLY MY QUESTION HONESTLY:

                    DOES ARMENIAN DIASPORA WANT A SOLUTION BETWEEN TURKEY AND ARMENIA?
                    Last edited by Eti; 09-12-2009, 01:26 AM.

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                    • #30
                      Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

                      Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
                      It is very simplified opinion. I do not know about what hate betvin Greeks and Armenians the guy is talking but the fact is: Greeks and Armenians didn’t kill each other wile turks have permanently killed (eliminate) Armenians and Greeks.





                      You are wrong, Armenians were indid majority in Western Armenia.





                      Wrong again. Massacre is a turkish way of resolving problem. It is understandable why you make such hypotheses as it is part of your mentality.
                      Well not all nations are barbaric try to understand that.


                      Well here i can agree with you, there was even an American/Armenian College in Aintab. But even if Armenians didnt like to live with muslims they were not going to massacre them. (Remember: not barbaric!)



                      Yes everything is mutual betvin Murderer and Victim. Right? LOL



                      Interesting Idea. No they wouldnt. Actually friend of mine bought a property in Van. He was forced to sell it and go away.



                      I think they did the right thing
                      you don't have to reply everything or find fault with everything. Try to think that sometimes I might be right.

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