New program against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

NOW PLEASE REPLY MY QUESTION HONESTLY:

DOES ARMENIAN DIASPORA WANT A SOLUTION BETWEEN TURKEY AND ARMENIA?

OFCOURS IT DOES. The question is what kind of solution?

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

OFCOURS IT DOES. The question is what kind of solution?

I don’t think so.

Of course I refferred to “peaceful relation and solution.” There is no another solution.

But to keep alive The Anti-Turkism is very important for Diaspora. There are people in Diaspora making money from Anti-Turkism and it also helps to keep Diaspora together and enables closer relationships. Not only Diaspora, it keeps you together with Greeks too, as we see here. So it works much, doesn’t it?

So peaceful relations between Turkey and Armenia would spoil the jobs of Armenian Diaspora.
Let me remind you this again.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS – English Agent (Chapter 26, page 298)


But, today you have been friends.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

I don’t think so.

Of course I refferred to “peaceful relation and solution.” There is no another solution.

What you call "peaceful solution"? There can be millions of variants of peasfull solution. One of them is Recognition of Genocide by Turkey.

DO YOU REALLY THINK DIASPORA DO NOT WANT THAT PEACEFULL SOLUTION?

Let me remind you this again.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS – English Agent (Chapter 26, page 298)


But, today you have been friends.

Armenians were culturally close to Greeks during tenth of centuries.. We didn’t have wars with Greeks sins fail of Byzantium....

Can you live Greeks alone and that stupid citate of some stupid Brit spy?
There may have been some tensions betven Armenians and Greeks in Ottoman Empire even provoked by turks... but never nothing serious....

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

I don’t think so.


But to keep alive The Anti-Turkism is very important for Diaspora. There are people in Diaspora making money from Anti-Turkism and it also helps to keep Diaspora together and enables closer relationships. Not only Diaspora, it keeps you together with Greeks too, as we see here. So it works much, doesn’t it?

Your image of Armenian Diaspora is based on typical turkish propaganda. I am not commenting that one.

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

There may have been some tensions betven Armenians and Greeks in Ottoman Empire even provoked by turks... but never nothing serious....

No... It is just a feeling or logic that:

"My enemy's enemy is my friend."

By the way, my mother's family emigrated to Turkey from Crete Island (Greece) a few decades ago. And there was no immigration from Anatolia to Crete in Ottoman history, so at least I am half-Greek. They didn't even know how to speak Turkish when they came to Turkey. But my mothers family had to emigrate because they were Muslims, otherwise they most probably would be killed. Just wanted to let you know.

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Armenians were culturally close to Greeks during tenth of centuries.. We didn’t have wars with Greeks sins fail of Byzantium

Turks are closer to both Armenians and Greeks than all any other nations. Byzantines never let Armenians enter and live in Istanbul, Armenians first had a neighborhood in Istanbul after Ottomans conquered the city. This was the same for other nations too. This was the politic of Ottmans to live together with other nations. Please learn more about Ottoman history.

[Yedtarts]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Turks are closer to both Armenians and Greeks than all any other nations. Byzantines never let Armenians enter and live in Istanbul, Armenians first had a neighborhood in Istanbul after Ottomans conquered the city. This was the same for other nations too. This was the politic of Ottmans to live together with other nations. Please learn more about Ottoman history.

Once upon a time there were the Byzantines and the Armenians there was NO turks or turkey on these territories, the turks are invaders. And then it was Constantinople and not Istanbul and the Armenians were there long before you showed up. Go read some real history before you talk.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Turks are closer to both Armenians and Greeks than all any other nations.

LOL turks can not be close culturally to any one except turks and other mongols as they didnt have any culture at all... they were nomads and still are.

Byzantines never let Armenians enter and live in Istanbul, Armenians first had a neighborhood in Istanbul after Ottomans conquered the city. This was the same for other nations too.

Lets begin from that Byzantium had a dynasty of Emperors of Armenian origin.... I am even not talking about Armenian generals and diplomats in Byzantium. Armenians lived in Constantinopolis since it was founded.

This was the politic of Ottmans to live together with other nations. Please learn more about Ottoman history.

Yes that is true that ottomans in early period hade let Christians to create communities in Constantinopolis as proper turks were not good in trade and any industrial production. So only way was to let Christians to tack care of it.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

No... It is just a feeling or logic that:

"My enemy's enemy is my friend."

By the way, my mother's family emigrated to Turkey from Crete Island (Greece) a few decades ago. And there was no immigration from Anatolia to Crete in Ottoman history, so at least I am half-Greek. They didn't even know how to speak Turkish when they came to Turkey. But my mothers family had to emigrate because they were Muslims, otherwise they most probably would be killed. Just wanted to let you know.

Greek muslims? Interesting.... so were your mothers familly turkified Greeks? or they were just turks living in Greec?

[egeli]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Greek muslims? Interesting.... so were your mothers familly turkified Greeks? or they were just turks living in Greec?

Mukuck, you have no idea what a Turk is. Ottomans for most of their history never, ever referred to themselves as Turks. The Ottoman Empire was an Islamic Empire that was centered in the Balkans (not Anatolia). Most people in this forum describe the Devshirme system of taking young Christian boys from their families to become either Jannisaries or Imperial Servants (Grand Viziers, etc) as slavery.

It was not. The moment Mimar Sinan (an Architect of Armenian Birth), Pargalı İbrahim Pasha (a Grand Vizier from guess where, Parga Greece), and Damat İbrahim Pasha (another Grand Vizier of Serbian birth) converted to Islam, THEY BECAME TURKS. These "slaves" became the most powerful class in the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman Muslims were first called Turks by foreign powers. It wasn't until nationalism surfaced in the 1800s that Muslims in the Ottoman Empire created their own national heritage to compete with the indigenous ethnic nationalism of Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, etc. Of course, there is some central Asian ethnic hertiage of Turks today. But, Turks are ethnically far more related to the indigenous ethnic groups of Anatolia, the Balkan, Arabia, North Africa, and the Caucasus, than they are to central Asians.

Turanism is a lie. Turkish heritage is Islamic heritage.