New program against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

There may have been some tensions betven Armenians and Greeks in Ottoman Empire even provoked by turks... but never nothing serious....

No... It is just a feeling or logic that:

"My enemy's enemy is my friend."

By the way, my mother's family emigrated to Turkey from Crete Island (Greece) a few decades ago. And there was no immigration from Anatolia to Crete in Ottoman history, so at least I am half-Greek. They didn't even know how to speak Turkish when they came to Turkey. But my mothers family had to emigrate because they were Muslims, otherwise they most probably would be killed. Just wanted to let you know.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

I don’t think so.


But to keep alive The Anti-Turkism is very important for Diaspora. There are people in Diaspora making money from Anti-Turkism and it also helps to keep Diaspora together and enables closer relationships. Not only Diaspora, it keeps you together with Greeks too, as we see here. So it works much, doesn’t it?

Your image of Armenian Diaspora is based on typical turkish propaganda. I am not commenting that one.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

I don’t think so.

Of course I refferred to “peaceful relation and solution.” There is no another solution.

What you call "peaceful solution"? There can be millions of variants of peasfull solution. One of them is Recognition of Genocide by Turkey.

DO YOU REALLY THINK DIASPORA DO NOT WANT THAT PEACEFULL SOLUTION?

Let me remind you this again.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS – English Agent (Chapter 26, page 298)


But, today you have been friends.

Armenians were culturally close to Greeks during tenth of centuries.. We didn’t have wars with Greeks sins fail of Byzantium....

Can you live Greeks alone and that stupid citate of some stupid Brit spy?
There may have been some tensions betven Armenians and Greeks in Ottoman Empire even provoked by turks... but never nothing serious....

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

OFCOURS IT DOES. The question is what kind of solution?

I don’t think so.

Of course I refferred to “peaceful relation and solution.” There is no another solution.

But to keep alive The Anti-Turkism is very important for Diaspora. There are people in Diaspora making money from Anti-Turkism and it also helps to keep Diaspora together and enables closer relationships. Not only Diaspora, it keeps you together with Greeks too, as we see here. So it works much, doesn’t it?

So peaceful relations between Turkey and Armenia would spoil the jobs of Armenian Diaspora.
Let me remind you this again.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS – English Agent (Chapter 26, page 298)


But, today you have been friends.

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

NOW PLEASE REPLY MY QUESTION HONESTLY:

DOES ARMENIAN DIASPORA WANT A SOLUTION BETWEEN TURKEY AND ARMENIA?

OFCOURS IT DOES. The question is what kind of solution?

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

It is very simplified opinion. I do not know about what hate betvin Greeks and Armenians the guy is talking but the fact is: Greeks and Armenians didn’t kill each other wile turks have permanently killed (eliminate) Armenians and Greeks.





You are wrong, Armenians were indid majority in Western Armenia.





Wrong again. Massacre is a turkish way of resolving problem. It is understandable why you make such hypotheses as it is part of your mentality.
Well not all nations are barbaric try to understand that.


Well here i can agree with you, there was even an American/Armenian College in Aintab. But even if Armenians didnt like to live with muslims they were not going to massacre them. (Remember: not barbaric!)



Yes everything is mutual betvin Murderer and Victim. Right? LOL



Interesting Idea. No they wouldnt. Actually friend of mine bought a property in Van. He was forced to sell it and go away.



I think they did the right thing

you don't have to reply everything or find fault with everything. Try to think that sometimes I might be right.

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

My young fascist, your way is not the right way, its only a simple minded way, you want easy answers that require no education or serious thought (or no thought,) nor maturity.When Childs is referring to the Turk, he's merely referring it as the authority, the state .A state that has oppressed its citizens (subject millets w/Christians). Don't forget there was a revolution and revolution won , until it turned fascist and turned on its Christian partners.We got back stepped and massacred to be able you to be fascist today.When will you wake up the state is not you the people it just works for you and is supposed to do everything in its peoples best interest.That to this day still hasn't happened.It can start to happen only if you wake up and be counted for real justice, freedom and equality.

I think you didn’t read it from beginning to end, except Child’s words. Anyway forget it. But life is simple, so questions and their aswers as well. There are no walking Schopenhauers or Einsteins in the streets of our cities, towns or villages all around the world, just simple-minded people trying to make money to live.

I have no idea about your politcal view, but we (daha çok abilerimiz, Deniz Gezmiş leri bilirsin belki), (that is our older comrades with Kurds too) wanted to create a Socialist Turkey for everyone to live together but we (they) failed. Then K. Evren made a fascist military coup in 1980.

We had woken up years ago and now I personally am preparing to get back to new sleep. Because everything has changed a lot in this Wild Capitalist World. So life isn’t worth doing such actions again.

It is so weird that there is an Islamic Party that has been the most Liberal in Turkish Republic’s history. It seems they will solve the problems, at least a bit.

NOW PLEASE REPLY MY QUESTION HONESTLY:

DOES ARMENIAN DIASPORA WANT A SOLUTION BETWEEN TURKEY AND ARMENIA?

[Mukuch]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.

It is very simplified opinion. I do not know about what hate betvin Greeks and Armenians the guy is talking but the fact is: Greeks and Armenians didn’t kill each other wile turks have permanently killed (eliminate) Armenians and Greeks.

Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t.

You are wrong, Armenians were indid majority in Western Armenia.

So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.

Wrong again. Massacre is a turkish way of resolving problem. It is understandable why you make such hypotheses as it is part of your mentality.
Well not all nations are barbaric try to understand that.

It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).

Well here i can agree with you, there was even an American/Armenian College in Aintab. But even if Armenians didnt like to live with muslims they were not going to massacre them. (Remember: not barbaric!)

Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.

Yes everything is mutual betvin Murderer and Victim. Right? LOL

And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?

Interesting Idea. No they wouldnt. Actually friend of mine bought a property in Van. He was forced to sell it and go away.

Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.

I think they did the right thing

[Gavur]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.

It is very simple, no need to be a genious to understand what was happening. Armenians wanted to found their own independent state in the East Anatolia and were rebelling against Turks (in fact, to say Muslims is more correct). Afterwards, Anatolian Greeks wanted to come under the rule of Greece, so they helped and supported the invasion of Greek army in the Western Anatolia.

Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t. So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.

It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).

Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.

And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?

Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.

My young fascist, your way is not the right way, its only a simple minded way, you want easy answers that require no education or serious thought (or no thought,) nor maturity.When Childs is referring to the Turk, he's merely referring it as the authority, the state .A state that has oppressed its citizens (subject millets w/Christians). Don't forget there was a revolution and revolution won , until it turned fascist and turned on its Christian partners.We got back stepped and massacred to be able you to be fascist today.When will you wake up the state is not you the people it just works for you and is supposed to do everything in its peoples best interest.That to this day still hasn't happened.It can start to happen only if you wake up and be counted for real justice, freedom and equality.

[Eti]

Re: New pogrom against the Armenians and Greeks in Istanbul?

Thanks for your replies, I read them but I want to continue. "Why we deported Christians."

I am putting a simple quote from a very reliable source written by W. J. Childs. Childs were an English agent traveled Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century and wrote a book about his journey. His book’s name is “ACROSS ASIA MINOR ON FOOT”. This man, as an English agent, objectively wrote many things about that time. The book really helps to understand what was happening in Anatolia at the beginning of 20th century.

Quote:

“Greek and Armenian hate the Turk as oppressor, but they hate each other also with rancorous hatred of jealous equals”.

W. J. CHILDS (Chapter 26, page 298)

Though I leave the comments to you, I totally believe he is right. If you read the book, you’ll see that the author mentions about a constant conflict between Turks, Armenians and Anatolian Greeks. That is the bells were ringing for the RUPTURE of RELATIONS between three nations. It was time for a breakage that we understand from the book that these three nations cannot live together any more on the land of Anatolia. Childs obviously suggest that Turks, Armenians and Greeks were scuffling continiously.

It is very simple, no need to be a genious to understand what was happening. Armenians wanted to found their own independent state in the East Anatolia and were rebelling against Turks (in fact, to say Muslims is more correct). Afterwards, Anatolian Greeks wanted to come under the rule of Greece, so they helped and supported the invasion of Greek army in the Western Anatolia.

Have you ever thought that if Western Anatolia came under the control of Greece and if there was an Armenian State in Eastern Anatolia, what would happen to Turks? To form new states on those lands, you had to have the majority of populations you know. But you haven’t. So you would never host us with candies in your new lands. Though I don’t want to make speculations, I believe with all my heart that Turks managed to escape from huge massacres with a little harm. Because, I am afraid Armenians and Greeks with their great excitement due to having new lands and with their new motivations, they would expand great energies on massacres of Turks or Muslims for sure.

It is really understandable that no one would love to live together with uneducated Muslims (no kidding) while Christians were being educated at their, or at American schools in Anatolia. (even in Sivas etc. there was an American school).

Yes, we did wrong, I am not asserting the contrary at all. But the wrong thing is not pure and one-sided, as most of you always blame us, I tell you that everything is mutual on this bloody world.

And I know I have faschistic opinions but I had told years ago on this site that (if they like) I personally want Diaspora Armenians to come Turkey to live here after giving them some properties and making them Turkish citizens as well. Of course our faschists woudn’t want this. If they like they can sell their properties and live in another country. But real faschists wouldn’t want this for sure, would they?

Edit: For example; Anatolian Greeks didn't just helped The Greek Army, some of them also abused or killed Turks too.