Kurds and Armenians

[londontsi]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

If you think that Nations on this earth survive or meet their demise depending on how good Christians
they are you are living in the “World of Alice in Wonderland”.

Smart people (politically) learn from others mistakes.
Unlucky ones from their own mistakes.

Dum people never learn.

The reason? because they do not have (emotional) knowledge, no engrained memory,
flippant about those terrible events, unable to understand its consequences and the heavy toll on the nation, still on-going.

YES I repeat nobody has the right to offer forgiveness on behalf of those who suffered NOT even a President of Armenia.

As for you and your first amendment YOU can forgive and forget and join all those before you,
thus preparing their next generation who will grow with no knowledge who they are.

[Armeniansurfer]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

As one who's family to suffer loss during the Genocide, of course I have "The right" to say what I will. Further do not dare take my first amendment right from me. As you see I do have both a moral and legal right to say as I will regarding any Armenian issue. Try not to make assumptions regarding individuals you do not know.

Anyway I was quoting someone else regarding forgiveness. He is the center of our Christian faith, If Christianity is not your religion I suppose you do not have to forgive. Unfortunately it is mentioned quite a bit in that book. Not much I can do about that, Sorry...I did not make the rules.

Saludos,

John

Puerdo Escondido Mexico

[londontsi]

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... If Armenian's are a christian people we should try to forgive....

Let me remind you that you have no right (nor any individual) to forgive since you did not suffer individually the injustice.


All you need to do is to have a look at some of the harrowing photos of genocide victims and say,
never mind I am a Christian so I will forgive them on your behalf.

“Forgiveness” is the first step to “forgetness”.

Forget if you wish but please do not call the nation to the path of forgetness.

[Armeniansurfer]

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They me be Yezidi, but apparently the Kurds call them Kurds. They have a different religion from Kurds in Anatolia, however they are the same ethnicity.All the Kurds I have spoken to were surprisingly adamant about it. I have never spoken to a Yezidi, frankly we should probably ask them what they think. Anyone know any of them??

JK

[Armeniansurfer]

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Hayayrun,

I think you answered the fellows question to some degree.....

However I Desiree with you conclusion. As evident in what took place in Tigranakert this month. Regarding the restoration of an Armenian Church, the Kurdish Mayor welcoming Armenians back. It was in the Armenian press. Take a look.

So wile I agree that the genocide is a black stain on Kurdish history, sincere atonement is a way to start.

Now if you want to keep hating them, I can understand. However they have the numbers, they are on our historic land, and they hate Turks. Do the math.

John

Puerto Escondido, Mexico

[Armeniansurfer]

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Hello Kurd,

Most of the older generation have a great deal of animosity toward Kurds due to the Genocide. Even though some Kurds protected Armenians as did some righteous Turks, most of the discussions I have had show a fair amount of animosity. The Kurds I have encountered during my life, have been apologetic regarding their grandparents participation during the Genocide. The first Kurds I ever met were at USC. Others in my family have had the same experience. If Armenian's are a christian people we should try to forgive. The Kurds have been persecuted by the Turks for some time now. They have a clear understanding who the real enemy was; and the catastrophic consequences of the Turkish policy of divide and conquer.

Many Armenians will still continue to resent Kurds, however there are those like me who have desired to make a consensus effort to forgive, and build a new relationship.

Saludos,

John

Puerto Escondido, Mexico http://forum.hyeclub.com/images/icons/icon6.png

[retro]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

Maybe a Kurdish, Syrian block can control repair and reopen the Kirkuk-Banias oil pipeline.



As going forward the Turks orientation towards radical Islamism will isolate them further and the West will turn hostile towards Turkey.

[Hayayrun]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

Hi guys,

I have some questions about relation between Armenians and Kurds in history and now. Today, I read some Turkish forums about this relations and some Turks say; Armenians, you guys, hate Kurds. So, I am wondering what you think about Kurds and Kurdish movement in Turkey?

Here is the page I have just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian–Kurdish_relations

So, let me know guys what you think about relation between two nations?

If you think there exist some problems between two nations, what is the role of the genocide to these problems?

Are you kinding, what a stupid question, of course armenians hate kurds, because kurds helped in 1915 turks by slaughtering nerly 1,5 000 000 armenian citizens uninocent people?
What are you thinking?
Should we armenians be happy abaut this tragedy?

Kurds are still proud about almost alimination of the armenian nation, but anyway today kurds are suffering under turkisch brutality.

Armenians never forget the famous "Hamidiye alayi" death squard of the sultan they were exclusively kurds.

Their can't never be a friendship between armenians and kurds, because of the "black history"

[ara87]

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I believe it was the Yezidi Kurds that helped fight against the Turks in the Turkish-Armenian war,

But there were many Muslim Kurds who lived in the present day areas Armenia and Karabakh, Azerbaijan, and even Georgia. Many of them were even from some tribes that had been in the area since the 18th century and were not responsible in any way for the action of other Anatolian Kurds in the Armenian Genocide.

However during Stalin's reign, through agreements with Turkey and for various other reasons, the majority of the Muslim Kurds in Armenia, Karabakh, and Azerbaijan were deported to Kazakhstan (At this time Stalin also deported Muslim Armenians and Muslim Hashemi's to Kazakhstan) and Muslim Kurds in Georgia became victims of Stalin's Purges.

Even after this though, there were still Muslim Kurds in Armenia and Karabakh, though most left after the war with Azerbaijan, to various other countries. And due to the destablization of Armenia from Soviet rule, and war with Azerbaijan the quality for the remaining Kurds in Armenia has deteriorated (as it also has for many Armenians), however Kurds are still treated better in Armenia then they are in Turkey or other regions of the middle east

[Zartonq]

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But keep in mind that Kurds who lived in the first Armenian Democratic Republic, sided with the Armenians when the Turks invaded and began the Turkish-Armenian war. The Kurds in the first democratic republic of Armenia also received political rights, there was a Kurdish representative elected to the Armenian Parliment, as well as Kurdish officers and volunteer units in the Armenian Army. Through the early 1920's there were over 50 school in Armenia opened for Kurds, there was even a Kurdish newspaper and radio station. And according to the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, during the Soviet period, Soviet Armenia was the main center for Kurdish literature, and Kurds even wrote in the Armenian script then before switching to latin and cyrilic scripts later on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these were Yezidi Kurds, weren't they?