Kurds and Armenians

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

That land is Kurdistan. Assyrians in the KRG are largely pro-Kurd, don't listen to the brainwashed western Assyrians. I'm 1/4 Assyrian myself. Assyrians are forced to flee? what are you crazy? since 2003, thousands of Assyrian families of moved to Kurdistan from Baghdad and other places where they are oppressed, where as in Kurdistan they receive all the rights we receive! they learned Aramaic in government funded schools, pray in government funded new built churches and free to celebrate their cultural seasons! have you seen the Assyrian new 'Akitu' in Duhok?

Kurds doing in Duhok what Kurds do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Dohuk_riots

[Federate]

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Read some books. Educate yourself, these facts are well documented! Rawanduz is not even in Anatolia, it's in Iraq, and when the Russians were in town, the Armenians massacared so many Kurds. By your logic you are an arse-licker of the ruskies.

Russians and Assyrians massacred kurds in Rawandiz. But then we're all the same to you aren't we?

It sounds like it. Armenians... Assyrians... what difference does it make?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

It sounds like it. Armenians... Assyrians... what difference does it make?

If Armenians paid a proper interest to the history of their neighbours then this Kurdish propaganda could be dismissable in seconds.

It does seem though that in the post WW1-period the Assyrians became as meek as beaten dogs, and willingly sat at the feet of those who had done the beating, stating, whenever asked, that they had such kindly and forgiving masters and that they would never again stray at the behest of those "Powers" and their promises of better dog food and no beatings. So, Assyrian sources are often not trustworthy.

[Zartonq]

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Way to show the noobs who's boss

[kurdman]

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It sounds like it. Armenians... Assyrians... what difference does it make?

I know you read that on Wikipedia. Do not trust it, it is lies! the very name 'Assyrian' is debatable these days! I have sources of a British man that visited Kurdistan to do research in 1908 and he mentions everyone (Kurds, Armenians, Yazidis, Shabaks) except Assyrians! he does however mention nestorian Christians who spoke Kurdish and were part of Kurdish tribes! if you read other British sources, you will see that the brits tried to take advantage of the fact that some Kurds were christian and even tries to convert all Kurds to Christianity! you will also find that the brits had the 'levis' a force under British command mostly manned by christian! I seriously doubt Assyrian exist anymore. As for the massacre, it is stated in a book written by a Russian professor that it was indeed conducted by Armenians with Russian aid. You can deny it! makes you no different from the Turks.

[Federate]

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I know you read that on Wikipedia. Do not trust it, it is lies! the very name 'Assyrian' is debatable these days! I have sources of a British man that visited Kurdistan to do research in 1908 and he mentions everyone (Kurds, Armenians, Yazidis, Shabaks) except Assyrians! he does however mention nestorian Christians who spoke Kurdish and were part of Kurdish tribes! if you read other British sources, you will see that the brits tried to take advantage of the fact that some Kurds were christian and even tries to convert all Kurds to Christianity! you will also find that the brits had the 'levis' a force under British command mostly manned by christian! I seriously doubt Assyrian exist anymore. As for the massacre, it is stated in a book written by a Russian professor that it was indeed conducted by Armenians with Russian aid. You can deny it! makes you no different from the Turks.

Did Armenians Kill 5000 Kurds in Rawanduz?

Particularly among the Alawites who live in eastern Turkey there is an increasing interest in the history of the genocide and the Armenians, with which they were historically and culturally connected. Articles on the Armenian genocide have already appeared in several issues of the magazine “Kizilbas”. Among them is a text by Naci Kutlay which gives an impression of the status of the debate on the theme of genocide and Armenian-Kurdish relations.

Kutlay writes: “At some places they released Kurds in prison to kill Armenians. However Armenian Fedayeen and organisations, during the Russian invasion of the Kurdistan, responded with the same massacres. According to some sources, 5000 Kurds were killed in May 1916 in the city of Rawanduz. This was very clearly an act of revenge.“ He does not consider it necessary to cite a source for this very serious accusation. Although there is no reference to any scientific work, Kutley seems to have used an essay by the well-known historian Dr. Kemal Mazhar Ahmed published in 1975 by the Kurdish Academy in Baghdad. “The city was taken on May 13. The Armenians fedayeens wanted to take vengeance and as a result they shed a lot of blood. According to some sources, at the end of the massacre 5000 Kurdish women, children, and men were killed. Many of them had not been shot but had been thrust into the Rawanduz gorge.” Ahmed’s work states. In a footnote, he refers to a book by K. Mason, an English officer at the time. It dealt with the question of the Turkish-Iraqi border and the role of the League of Nations. It is curious that in his footnote remarks K.M. Ahmad himself doubts that in Rawanduz 5000 Kurds had been killed: “This figure seems to be exaggerated. Neither M.H. Zeki, who reports on the destructions of the war, nor Hüseyn H. Mukriyani, who lived in Rawanduz after World War I and wrote about it, cite such a figure. Among the people it was said that many Kurdish women had thrown themselves into the gorge to save their honor.” Thus, not only is the number 5000 murdered Kurds questionable, but also whether or not such a mass murder took place at all in Rawanduz. Naci Kutlay seems either not to have read this important remark by K.M. Ahmed or to have deliberately concealed it. What remains fixed in the mind of the reader is that in Rawanduz 5000 Kurds fell victim to an act of revenge by Armenian Fedayeen.

Clearly one dare not play down the gravity of crimes or remain silent about them. When, however, scientists or intellectuals make such serious allegations like the killing of 5000 Kurds, without a shred of concrete evidence, they are knowingly or unknowingly promoting animosity, hatred, and mistrust among peoples. That Armenians who were in the areas that were under Russian control from 1916 committed acts of revenge cannot be denied. Many Armenian Fedayeen came from Western Armenia. They had fought there against the government troops and Hamidian regiments before the “Young Turk Revolution of 1908“. So the pro-government Kurdish tribal groups that had participated in the massacres were known to the Armenians. This is why they directed their vengeance mainly against these Kurds. In Revanduz, which is in the south, outside the areas of Armenian settlements, there was no Armenian population worth mentioning. The Kurdish tribes in this region of Kurdistan had not taken part in Armenian massacres, under Abdul Hamid’s rule or later. Thus it is unlikely that Armenian Fedayeen should have committed acts of revenge against the Kurds there of all people.

http://massispost.com/?p=3766

FYI: our genocide started in 1915.

[Mos]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

Kurds are well known for their treachery during Armenian Genocide. They responded to Turkish blood money by eagerly killing and looting Armenians, taking over villages, mostly with their bandit groups. It's said Kurds killed more Armenians than Turks. They were a tool used by the Turks to do their dirty work. So it shouldn't be surprising that we are not that warm towards Kurds.

[Eddo211]

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when the Russians were in town, the Armenians massacared so many Kurds..

Wrong koordy

We killed your murdering raping bandits for what they did to Armenians......even long before 1915.

Why are you trolling an Armenian forum?

Koordy Strong 111!!??.....jackass

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Kurds and Armenians

I know you read that on Wikipedia. Do not trust it, it is lies! the very name 'Assyrian' is debatable these days! I have sources of a British man that visited Kurdistan to do research in 1908 and he mentions everyone (Kurds, Armenians, Yazidis, Shabaks) except Assyrians! he does however mention nestorian Christians who spoke Kurdish and were part of Kurdish tribes! if you read other British sources, you will see that the brits tried to take advantage of the fact that some Kurds were christian and even tries to convert all Kurds to Christianity! you will also find that the brits had the 'levis' a force under British command mostly manned by christian! I seriously doubt Assyrian exist anymore. As for the massacre, it is stated in a book written by a Russian professor that it was indeed conducted by Armenians with Russian aid. You can deny it! makes you no different from the Turks.

Nestorian Christians are Kurds! Another new Kurdish lie? How are Kurds going to explain why the Kurds repeatedly massacred them? And how, in the early 19th-century, committed on them the first modern-era genocide (the Nestorians were, ironically, only saved from complete extinction by the intervention of Ottoman forces).
Kurdish lies seem to know no limit - maybe because until recently nobody bothered about them so they were free to claim whatever they wanted about themselves amongst themselves.

[retro]

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Nestorian Christians are Kurds! Another new Kurdish lie? How are Kurds going to explain why the Kurds repeatedly massacred them? And how, in the early 19th-century, committed on them the first modern-era genocide (the Nestorians were, ironically, only saved from complete extinction by the intervention of Ottoman forces).
Kurdish lies seem to know no limit - maybe because until recently nobody bothered about them so they were free to claim whatever they wanted about themselves amongst themselves.

The Nestorian church hails from the patriarch of Constantinople and has nothing to do with the Kurds. Whilst the Nestorians/Assyrians have their faults. They are a lot more civilized than this Persianised-Hurrian rabble.