Peace at home, peace on earth:Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[HalfArmo]

That said, in my opinion, the current Turkish Republic owes a certain debt to the people of Armenia of today. What is that debt?

1. Invite representatives of the academy of Armenia to Turkey, Istanbul, and together open the Ottoman archives of early 20th century together. That way, both parties can honestly read and discuss the historical documents.
2. Even if symbolic amounts, the government of Turkey should start paying "restoration" to Armenian families of Turkish descent, that would start a two-way peaceful cooperation.
3. Turkish fear that such restoration would cost too much is irrelevant, because, within 3-4 years, if a friendlier atmosphere opens between Armenia and Turkey, mutual trade and tourism would quickly restore the financial balance.

I propose 2 and 3, even if Turkey does not fully still acknowledge Armenian claim. Why? Because genocide or deportation, the net result has been tragedy for Armenians, and it is high time for a peaceful gesture from Turkey.

As for ATATURK, his revolutions paved the way for Armenians-Greeks-Assyrians that is non-muslim communities to thrive in Turkey, despite the ill treatment by Ottomans during the Empire's decay stage. SECULARITY was established by Ataturk in the "democratic republic of Turkey", as well as the abolition of caliphacy.

Forget about your first proposal. The Ottoman archives have been emptied of the original documents, and your evil Turk historians have re-written Turkey's history, not a smart move, because, although we Armenians have our own overwhelming evidence condeming Turky, the Ottomans and Ataturk to hell, for the sake of transparency and unbiasness, we use American, British, French and German archives to prove what the Ottomans did. Not a single Turk can do the same today - I dare you and I challange you.

You have obviously read the Turkish versions and made your own assumptions (as child like as they may be) on the hope to lessen the burden of the guilt that you have inherited as a Turk. Today in Europe more and more Turks are realising that their grandmothers are Armenian by origin because they were stolen by their great grandfathers as atractive white skinned children. Last week I went to the opening of a restaurant owned by such a Turk who bought the place from a pure Armenian.

Turkey will never escape from the truth, Turkey's greatest fear, that recognition questions the legitimacy of Turkey as a country (think about it if you can). Earlier this year I was in Istanbul on business, but not with Turks. I went to a few Armenian churchs and met high ranking members of that community. I asked them a simple question - when Turkey eventually capitulates and recognises the Genocide what do you think will happen? Their honest reply was - we are the front line we will pay with our lives for the Turkish revenge that will be unleashed on us, but we are ready so long as the souls of the massacred can finally rest in piece - these are the words of Armenians who are citizens of your precious Turkey today.

We Armenians know and understand Turks very well and you can forget about entering Europe it will never happen.

[guaco]

What is your inferiority complex about "being whit skinned europeans"?

[dstyle]

Still say **** Ataturk.

[Crimson Glow]

What is your inferiority complex about "being whit skinned europeans"?

What is your inferiority complex with the constant use of the phrase inferiority complex?

[Hayq]

Historic Armenia will always been known as ARMENIA historically! They will never change the lands that were once Armenia and right Anatolia (now modern turkey). No matter how much the Turks want to believe, they are not Anatolian natives, and furthermore, Armenians had built a kingdom and have been known throughout the world in roman, greek, persian, arab, babylonian and so many other people's scripts. I believe the Armenians are in the bible? I have never read it, can you guys help me on this?

Those lands are no longer Armenian, they are Turkish lands, HISTORIC ARMENIA is now TURKEY. Like it or not we have to call it Eastern Turkey. Just like the Irish have to call the northern part of ireland, NORTH IRELAND. We as Armenians, if we want those lands, have to take it back by brutal force and not by politics. Everything done politically always ends up causing more problems. We have to militarily march into Turkey and take back those lands...until then...it is EASTERN TURKEY.

[Sip]

Everything done politically always ends up causing more problems....

Heheheh ... yah like how world war III didn't happen and now we have all these people left on earth causing all these new problems

But I do agree with everything else you said.

[TJ]

Being a little harsh arent we? For once we get a Turk who seems to be open minded, and trust me, you wont find many that are as openminded as loveaturk. I think a lot of people here are really really pissed off and they take things that arent meant to be offensive really offensively sometimes, instead of attacking them let them understand what it is about what they said that pisses you off. So loveaturk I dont think Armenia wants any reperations, at least not officialy, but i think that in the long run, a nice gesture would be to give us Ararat, it is after all our national symbol and our lands, always changing have always revolved around it, as very thin link to the Black sea wouldnt be bad either, and i dont think this is much sacrifice forthe turks, after all these are some of the most uninhabited and least developed lands in turkey, but any move of the kind would be a very nice symbolic gesture and would make practically all Armenians happy beyond belief. Right now i dont think Armenia needs any more wars or anything of the kind, lets catch up with Europe and spend our time on developing the economy of the country the state of our people and the reputation of our country as a whole, and as for our neighbors, well lets act like neighbors for once and address whats right and whats wrong and help each other through understanding.

[IAmMadAtAC]

Ararat

Seriously, what good is Ararat and Ani to the Turks? The land around Ararat is not only extremely close to Armenia but there is practically nothing there. It's not like Turkey would lose some metropolis, they'd lose some Kurdish sheepfarmers! And yet, Armenians all over the world would be extactic. Same with Ani, Turks aren't doing anything with it, not like they'd lose any tourism revenue they barely talk about it. They'd lose like 2 square miles of land to give Armenia the land from the border to Ani, yet once again Armenians would be so happy. Those are the only parts of Historical Armenia I'd actually advocate going for, because they are so symbolic and Turkey has no connections to them. Yet they won't even take a small step like that to improving relations, let alone recognizing the genocide. I just really hope that someday they will see it fit to make some of those concessions which seriously will have no affect on Turkey and yet will do a world of good towards improving relations. That can't happen while we have a military border guard staring down at Armenia..

[HyeJinx1984]

Seriously, what good is Ararat and Ani to the Turks? The land around Ararat is not only extremely close to Armenia but there is practically nothing there. It's not like Turkey would lose some metropolis, they'd lose some Kurdish sheepfarmers! And yet, Armenians all over the world would be extactic. Same with Ani, Turks aren't doing anything with it, not like they'd lose any tourism revenue they barely talk about it. They'd lose like 2 square miles of land to give Armenia the land from the border to Ani, yet once again Armenians would be so happy. Those are the only parts of Historical Armenia I'd actually advocate going for, because they are so symbolic and Turkey has no connections to them. Yet they won't even take a small step like that to improving relations, let alone recognizing the genocide. I just really hope that someday they will see it fit to make some of those concessions which seriously will have no affect on Turkey and yet will do a world of good towards improving relations. That can't happen while we have a military border guard staring down at Armenia..

Correction, Ani is making money for Turkey. You see, Turkey has started a "restoration" process of Ani which the government pays the contractors (I call them mercenaries) to restore. Sounds good right, restoring Ani? Wrong. They're not exactly restoring it.. what they're doing is just tearing it down and building other stuff there and calling it "restoration"... these Turkish contractors make money off building this crap on OUR lost city. So Turks do have a small profit to make from Ani. But yes, we should get it back.

[guaco]

Correction, Ani is making money for Turkey. You see, Turkey has started a "restoration" process of Ani which the government pays the contractors (I call them mercenaries) to restore. Sounds good right, restoring Ani? Wrong. They're not exactly restoring it.. what they're doing is just tearing it down and building other stuff there and calling it "restoration"... these Turkish contractors make money off building this crap on OUR lost city. So Turks do have a small profit to make from Ani. But yes, we should get it back.

Why are you so obsessive to consider everything that Turks do as "bad"?
Do you think that paranoia can bring you anywhere?
How do you create such conspiracy theories, this is the most enjoyable part of this site, to read such things above.