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  • #41
    hiya

    im a protestant christian [Antaquian] Turk, from Finland.
    I'd like to write my some of opinions and recomme with my broken english, please excuse my english.
    i did not join to from for to bug people or talk against you. because Armenians have right to have actions against Turkey. I can feel the pain of genocide and injustices on Armenia, i can feel because im a CHRISTIAN TURK and i still there are injustice on christian people in Turkey,or other ethnics.
    but the most important thing to breake a minute everything, and start to think "what we are doing". well you right about genocide its okay many armenians died its alright but i wanna talk about objective, im not gonna write here as muslim, christian jewish, turk or armenian. im out the politics right now:

    1.in genocide years, not just armenians died, many kind ethnics died, of course millions of people died, its world war, its just normal. if there was action on armenians its okay i accept. but still can not understand, archives and history mirrors are not enough.
    there is one official mirror of armenian genocide, thats the "Blue Book". this book was just war propagand by Britain. Britain made it because britain was an enemy of turkey.
    now how can i believe this blue book?

    2. in Turkey teachers explanes about Armenia, greece blah blahh. teaching with hate, well, most of people just stupit, most of turks already love to hate some ethnics and they learn to hate about all life, but not all turks same. educated turks just against this system, i'd like to have a chance to burn turkish history books, either i dont believe turkish mirrors.

    3.i dont believe Turkish history neither i dont believe blue book. because people just use this for their politic see. well i prefer to be objective.

    4.turkey does not respect my christian life in turkey, muslims trying to close all churchs. my church closed by muslim majority about 5 times but we got some respect and support by another turk majority. so we dont hate all people. because its not just all turks fault. now church works, opened. but we have troubles with idiotic muslims in turkey, shoots stones and molotoph coctails to our windows, but its just provacation, we also get support by police and army too. they are mostly saving us from most muslim attacks. i can not love turks also i can not hate...

    5.armenian genocide, i really would learn the truth and support christian life in the past, and i'd like to support but i am not sure what happened in the past, everything just a big lie around us. everything political. i dont know who to believe. its not just me, most of people thinks like it...
    if Armenian government doesnt reject Turkish invitiation about researching armenian genocide, it would be a great chance to people understand tru. but now people thinks, "why armenia rejects turkish invitiation about researching history and both archives?"

    6.Armenia should have really good relation with Turkey. Armenian action is just a big mistake. its like, EU and Turkey, Armenian lobby in USA etc..

    Well, its alright, then you block Turkey, turkey doesnt joins EU, Turkey loses support of USA, if you enjoy it sit back and listen:

    then think about few years later, turkey growing bigger everyday more, a strong economy and damn big military, against western countries, against EU, against Greece, bulgaria and ARMENIA. well they have a strong relation with Russia and it gets stronger everyday more.
    does armenians enjoy to mess with Turkey? pushing on Turkish people and specially ARMY? well turkey has democratic government, islamic or anything but Turkish military is second government for Turkey. And Turkish military does not accepts islam in army, it does not matter who you are, muslim or christian, turkish army has no religion, i know it because im from Turkey.

    7. whit this interesting actions Armenia pushes on Turkey, armenia trying luck on turkey but its no good for Armenia.
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    these are not defending on turkey, i dont care becasue im in finland right now, i got bored muslim press on me and i escaped from turkey, with armenian genocide, turkish people started to hate also turkish christians, just everything messed.

    and with this genocide actions doesnt helps you. turkey is still samne turkey, armenia is still same armenia. but if you push on turkey, it will be damn dangerious for armenia.

    i recommend you to culm down and have good relation with turkey, and we christian commuinty already support other christians like Armenians. but with this genocide and blahblah, you are damaging our christian relations with muslims.

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    and other thing, you are forgeting God, when you are talking about religion, you should to think about peace too.
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    peace brothers
    regards

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    • #42
      Originally posted by eMachine
      1.in genocide years, not just armenians died, many kind ethnics died, of course millions of people died, its world war, its just normal.
      If a war gives anyone free reign to liquidate an entire people from their ancestral homeland, into the deserts with no food or whatever, killing entire families, raping and forcing many to convert to Islam, if all those things are "normal" to wars, then the Armenian Genocide was "normal".
      If, on the other hand, one can sift through the difference of a war between two armies, and an all out slaughter of a nation while the clouds of war could hide what they were doing, then you might realize such outrageous actions were not "normal", not even during a world war.

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      • #43
        "and with this genocide actions doesnt helps you. turkey is still samne turkey, armenia is still same armenia. but if you push on turkey, it will be damn dangerious for armenia."

        Well Turkey can't try to Genocide us twice. And then you say against Greece, EU, Bulgaria , and Armenia. Lol, that's a big war fought on a lot of fronts.

        But I agree, w/ the things you said, Whether Turkey recognizes the Genocide or not, I want Armenia to become a model nation.

        Also it's true a lot of people died in the conflict. However, Turkey gave orders to wipe out Armenians, officially. We were defending ourselves. Our gov't never said, "Kill all Turks."

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        • #44
          Originally posted by eMachine
          hiya

          im a protestant christian [Antaquian] Turk, from Finland.

          ......blahblahblah.....

          i recommend you to culm down and have good relation with turkey, and we christian commuinty already support other christians like Armenians. but with this genocide and blahblah, you are damaging our christian relations with muslims.
          Hmmm, he's a typical Turk first, a typical Christian second. There is probably more hope in redeeming the first than the second.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #45
            Originally posted by bell-the-cat
            Hmmm, he's a typical Turk first, a typical Christian second. There is probably more hope in redeeming the first than the second.
            hi
            typical turks hate me, believe or not...

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