Armenian Patriarch Of Turkey Issues Bold Message On Genocide

[karoaper]

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Long live the racists who who m.a.s.t.u.r.b.a.t.e each other and others, so they can live in peace and try to share things.

[karot]

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the racists from both sides should be in same place,so they would eat eachother as hungry dogs and others can live in peace for building new common things.first of all ,urgently we should get out of the racists and have to shut up their f.u.c.k.i.n.g. mouths.

oh la la these racists make me angry

[karoaper]

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karot, how old are you kiddo?
try not to cuss so much, ok.

[karot]

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karot, how old are you kiddo?
try not to cuss so much, ok.

if you wonder too much,I am 24 years old ok?

but you should write more creative things cause you interest in and attack personality things,typical racist behavior.

[Crissy]

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Long live the racists who who m.a.s.t.u.r.b.a.t.e each other and others, so they can live in peace and try to share things.

this has got to be the funniest post I read today. Yep I am going to copy paste it in Ankap

[Armenian]

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Refusal to acknowledge Armenian genocide. For the Turkish state, and many Turks, to admit their forebears committed genocide is something they will not even consider

BY MATTHEW MCALLESTER
Newsday Staff Correspondent
November 29, 2006, 3:13 PM EST

ISTANBUL, Turkey -- Mesrob II, the Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul and all Turkey, was silent for a second. He had just been asked by a reporter if he acknowledged that the Armenian genocide happened.

"Uhhhh," he said, "I acknowledge that people were killed." He was silent again. "Many people lost their lives."

More uneasy silence followed. This from a man whose paternal grandfather was the only one of six ethnic Armenian brothers to make it back to Istanbul after being, as he put it, "deported to the Syrian desert" in 1915. They were among more than a million ethnic Armenians who suffered a similar fate at the hands of Ottoman Turks: They were rounded up, deported to concentration camps and, for the most part, killed.

"So severe has been the treatment that careful estimates place the number of survivors at only 15 percent of those originally deported," the U.S. consul in Aleppo wrote to the State Department in 1915 in a dispatch quoted in a recent article in The New Yorker magazine. "On this basis the number surviving even this far being less than 150,000 … there seems to have been about 1,000,000 persons lost up to this date."

What Mesrob II, who will meet the visiting Pope Benedict XVI today in Istanbul, could not or would not say was that the Turks of the then-Ottoman Empire committed genocide against the Armenians who lived in modern-day Turkey. For the Turkish state, and many Turks, to admit their forebears committed genocide is something they will not even consider, and it makes many Turks extremely angry even to suggest the genocide happened.
Authors and journalists, including Nobel Prize winning novelist Orhan Pamuk, have been prosecuted for suggesting it took place. But for the 65,000 ethnic Armenians -- mostly Orthodox Christians -- who live in this country of 70 million Muslims, to speak publicly of genocide would not be just brave, but potentially suicidal.

"Probably the state wouldn't do anything directly except make some statement" if Mesrob was to say there had been a genocide, said Murat Belge, one of Pamuk's publishers and an organizer of an unprecedented conference last year in Istanbul about the genocide.

"Very likely he would be assassinated by some fascists," continued Belge, who was himself prosecuted under a controversial law last year for writing critical articles about a court's ban on the conference. "The Patriarchate would be burned down. A lot of Armenians would be shot in their daily lives."

Mesrob, in an interview at the well-guarded Armenian Patriarchate in Istanbul, said many different peoples, governments, political parties and even his own Armenian Patriarchate should share the blame for what happened in 1915. He said he believed the best way for Turks and Armenians to reconcile is for Turkey to open its border with Armenia and for the two countries to encourage exchange visits and other ways of generating mutual sympathy.
"It's not a matter of being silent about the issue," he said. "It's a matter of how can you make friends with someone. Do you from the first moment simply confront the person?"

If it's not silence, then it's a pragmatic sort of self-censorship. Growing up, Mesrob's father never talked to him about what happened to the previous generation, he said. "I think they didn't want us to be at odds with our Muslim neighbors."

That parenting method continues today among the ethnic Armenians in Turkey, Mesrob said. "We don't tell our children about historical problems so they won't face problems."

The Turkish government's position on the events of 1915 is that the people who died in the region at the time died as a result of inter-ethnic fighting, disease and hardships caused by war. More than 20 countries have officially recognized the genocide, as have a majority of the 50 states in the United States, including New York. It is long-standing State Department policy not to refer to the events of 1915 as genocide; many critics of this policy see it as a politically expedient way of avoiding alienating a crucial American ally.
Most Western historians agree the genocide happened.

Last year, the International Association of Genocide Scholars wrote to Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, about it, concluding: "We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participant in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust."

Such an acknowledgement will not come easily or quickly -- if at all.
"Until the 1980s there was a total loss of memory," said a Turkish political powerbroker who requested anonymity because of the topic's sensitivity. "Nobody talked about this. It was the policy of the omnipotent state not to talk about anything negative."

Last year's conference in Istanbul and a growing concern about the issue within Europe -- a recent French law makes it a crime to deny the genocide happened -- have moved Turkey slightly closer to coming to terms with its past.

"The skeletons are there and they have not vanished," the Turkish powerbroker said. "Now we are going to open the cupboard."
If Turkey is to gain entry to the European Union, it likely will have to acknowledge its actions in 1915 -- although Turkey accepting the word "genocide" could forever remain a sticking point. Egemen Bagis, foreign policy adviser to Erdogan, said in an interview that last year Erdogan made an offer to the Armenian president: Both countries would establish an independent investigative commission and open up all countries' archives in order to establish what happened.

"No other politician in Turkey's history has ever said he is ready to face his own history," Bagis said. But when asked if he recognized that a genocide took place, Bagis responded quickly: "I don't."

[TomServo]

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"Uhhhh," he said, "I acknowledge that people were killed." He was silent again. "Many people lost their lives."

Թուրքիոյ մեջ ինչ պիտի ըսէ՞:

[Armenian]

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Թուրքիոյ մեջ ինչ պիտի ըսէ՞:

Turkio metch krna ir beran@ pak pahel.

Himnakan harts@ miyayn ir ays khosker@ chen. Kez khorhurt tam, nayev nayir ir miyus artahaydutyunnerun yev gordzserun. K'rnas nayev kardal im grutyunner ir masin. Mi khoskov, yete chikrnar mezi, aysinkn @ndanur Haiutyan, ogtakar linel dogh ir beran@ pak bah e. Yev yete zanazan patjarnerov chikrnar ir beran@ pak pahel, dogh ir pashtonen hrazharvi.

Ayd mikani hazar Turkatsadz Haier@ Istanbuli metch mer hamar aysor lurj azgayin khndir en.

[TomServo]

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I guess he could. Do you know if his predecessor (Kazanjian) was more hush-hush about Armenian affairs?

[arziv]

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These prelates are pragmatist Byzantine foxes. His mouth will not say what his heart feels; he knows well that to embark on statements like genocide will run foul of the authorities. The armenians in Istanbul are a well heeled minority, affluent and prosperous and keeping a low profile. They don't wish their position to become imperilled for espousing rights and claims of genocide ; they know well the present authorities in Turkey will not tolerate it and if they blimp within the Turkish political radar, the full weight of the state apparatus will bring retribution .Their position is uneasy and difficult, at a flick the Turk can turn around and inflict another September 1955 on them, and our compatriots don't want that. Why run risks if they are making money and living it up in Istanbul ?
I don't agree with their "neutral stance", nor with the Patriarchs ambivalence , but then , I don't live in Turkey.