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  • #91
    why dont you just leave that friendship issue?

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    • #92
      This thread has slowed down to a speed where I can jump on and share my opinions (don't make that bumholes = opinions joke, please). I address it to Turks. The first issue is the thesis of karakitap that Turkeyphoba has become our national identity. Sadly, but it is somewhat true. Not Turkeyphobia, but the Memory of Genocide (The Big Tragedy as wel call it) has become a huge part of our identity. This is simply the most momentous event in our history. We lost in horrific ways 1.5 million people in extremely short time. We didn't lose this many people because we were fighting, as worriors fight, for religious freedom or national independence. We lost this many people to massacres and forced marches along a dessert. There are written acounts from foreign historians, photogrephers, soldiers, doctors, diplomats. There are accounts from Armenian survivors. This event is true and it is so giant that indeed it is etched in our collective souls. This is in fact the sad thing. We had (and still do) a cultural identity that was based on many great things, before this crime perpetrated by your countrymen. Need I remind you that Armenia (with that name) goes back to 8th century BC. We were the first to accept Christianity as a state-religion, we were some of the first settlers in Jerusalem and the Holy Land. Our cities were based directly on the Silk Road and we have a rich history of trade and art and masonry. So, please don't talk to us about our identity. But back to topic yes, the Great Tragedy is a huge part of our identity (it is soked into our hearts as we drink our mothers' milk). Now, to this topic of insulting Turkey. All of the topics here discussing Turkey are in fact critical. Yes we may discuss the still barbaric treatment of minorities, we may discuss the awful human rights violations and paranoia about the truth on anything seaping out into the collective conscience. But as I said, this is criticism and we have the right to say it and on top of that I challenge you to show me they're wrong. Insulting would be a post like this "I hate those motherxxxxing Turks, they should all burn in hell, I will phuck their ....". You will be hardpressed to find one such post. As a side note, that pigpiss Tur-Friend wrote in a post that he'd have a fun time discussing with an Armenian forumer what kind of a bullet was used to kill the forumer's grandfather before his wife was raped. This is what I call insulting, not saying Turkey will not join EU because it's still a backwards country (warning: CRITICISM). And also, tell me why are you so concerned about such criticism. Because your idea of national pride is a castle in the sand and you're scared as hell to find out the truth. You're like an American being told that indeed US is gulity of human right violations and it has caused much suffering in the world. They explode at such news. Your government has done nothing but feed you crap. If someone in Armenia writes in a newspaper that they thing Genocide didn't happen, they will not go to jail. They might get a boot up their arse from Hovik though. In your country, I, as an Armenian cannot state that Genocide happened without legal trouble. Did you know that in a short act of decency your goverment in fact found Talat Pasha (our Hitler) guilty of violations of human rights. He escaped to Lisbon where an Armenian patriot introduced him to some led. Tell me, how many times have you heard in your histroy books about this fact and have had in-class discussions about the reasons Talat was found guilty. Wait, don't answer, I know it.
      Finally, about the issue of friendship. There's a fellow here from Turkey. He's not a bad guy (a little sleazy with the ladies though, honest truth) and we chat sometimes about music mostly. He plays duduk and thinks Djivan Gasparian is the best duduk player in the world. We chat in a friendly way (I give him Armenian CD, he lets me hear Turkish ones), but I feel his is so closeminded and so thouroughly brain-washed by your governmenr about the Genocide that I can never talk to him without getting into a fight. Thus, I cannot be friends with him at all. Also, personally I don't really care about re-educating Turks about it. I'd rather make sure other non-Armenians see the truth.
      Last edited by karoaper; 06-06-2005, 11:00 PM.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by karoaper
        Did you know that in a short act of decency your goverment in fact found Talat Pasha (our Hitler) guilty of violations of human rights. He escaped to Lisbon where an Armenian patriot introduced him to some led. Tell me, how many times have you heard in your histroy books about this fact and have had in-class discussions about the reasons Talat was found guilty. Wait, don't answer, I know it.
        So your patriots judged and killed the man behind the scene, Talat Pasa (your Hitler) right? And now what are you up for?

        If we finished with this then explain me Armenian-French legions massacres against Turks-Kurds Anatolian people during WWI.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by karoaper
          Your government has done nothing but feed you crap. If someone in Armenia writes in a newspaper that they thing Genocide didn't happen, they will not go to jail. They might get a boot up their arse from Hovik though. In your country, I, as an Armenian cannot state that Genocide happened without legal trouble.
          You are mentioning of being brainwashed.But,you are showing how yu are brainwashed!

          You are teached that noone can write about genocide.This is your perception.
          But,the reallty is just contrary!

          Some Turkish writers and journalists always write and say that Armenians are right!There is an article of Ahmet Altan (a prominent journalist) even in this forum posted by winoman...

          There are scholars that backing your views in Turkey... They could even plan to assemble all anti-turks in İstanbul for a conference under the name of "international... The conference was canceled not because of its nature!But,they did't invite even one scholar from opposite view.Can anyone even plan to assemle such a conference... definetely not... And,the conference will be made again with the participation of opposite views...

          There are Armenian journalists like Hırant Dink and Etyen Mahcupyan.... They are freely writing in newspapers,journals... They sometimes appeared on TV opposing Turkish views.... They have even a newspaper,Agos...

          Can anyone write,issue a newspaperor appear on TV in Armenia?

          One of our most prominent writers ,Orhan Pamuk said that Turkey had made genocide... All Turks got very angry... But not because of his views... The reason was that he had never mentioned of Armenians... But,suddenly,he say something in abroad! Turks thought that he used this issue for his aim to take a nobel prize...

          You have forced even France to accept a law introducing criminal penalties against those denying the so-called genocide... Then,you are coming up and saying Turkey puts people in jail... This attitude can be either reflection of being brainwashed or of ill-intention...
          Last edited by sadi; 06-07-2005, 05:13 AM.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by karoaper
            All of the topics here discussing Turkey are in fact critical..
            Yes,there have been Turks insulting Armenians... But,how can you turn a blind eye to those who don't write someting except insulting all turks,please take a look at the posts of Red brigede,Tom Servo,or Armenian.... There have been others but i can not remember their names...

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            • #96
              Originally posted by sadi
              You are mentioning of being brainwashed.But,you are showing how yu are brainwashed!

              You are teached that noone can write about genocide.This is your perception.
              But,the reallty is just contrary!

              Some Turkish writers and journalists always write and say that Armenians are right!There is an article of Ahmet Altan (a prominent journalist) even in this forum posted by winoman...

              There are scholars that backing your views in Turkey... They could even plan to assemble all anti-turks in İstanbul for a conference under the name of "international... The conference was canceled not because of its nature!But,they did't invite even one scholar from opposite view.Can anyone even plan to assemle such a conference... definetely not... And,the conference will be made again with the participation of opposite views...

              There are Armenian journalists like Hırant Dink and Etyen Mahcupyan.... They are freely writing in newspapers,journals... They sometimes appeared on TV opposing Turkish views.... They have even a newspaper,Agos...

              Can anyone write,issue a newspaperor appear on TV in Armenia?

              One of our most prominent writers ,Orhan Pamuk said that Turkey had made genocide... All Turks got very angry... But not because of his views... The reason was that he had never mentioned of Armenians... But,suddenly,he say something in abroad! Turks thought that he used this issue for his aim to take a nobel prize...

              You have forced even France to accept a law introducing criminal penalties against those denying the so-called genocide... Then,you are coming up and saying Turkey puts people in jail... This attitude can be either reflection of being brainwashed or of ill-intention...
              I totally agree. This "banning to say anything against genocide religion" is the only link to their "invented identity" And they feel themselves very uncomfortable to hear even an imply about any kind of different views. And more interesting is even their intellectuals are not totally aware of their nations pathological obsession. They think that putting someone to to the jail who "deny genocide" is a very normal attitude.

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              • #97
                Did you know that in a short act of decency your goverment in fact found Talat Pasha (our Hitler) guilty of violations of human rights. He escaped to Lisbon where an Armenian patriot introduced him to some led. Tell me, how many times have you heard in your histroy books about this fact and have had in-class discussions about the reasons Talat was found guilty.
                Another reflection of ignorance or being brainwashed...

                Turks generally know this... Turks know also that nearly 200 officers were found quilty of mistreatment of Armenians and they all executed! If there have been an order to execute all Armenians ... how could the millitary courts have found those quilty? And,if there was an order to execute... be sure that none of the Armenians deported could reach Syria!Those Armenians could not even see out of their villages...

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by sadi
                  Yes,there have been Turks insulting Armenians... But,how can you turn a blind eye to those who don't write someting except insulting all turks,please take a look at the posts of Red brigede,Tom Servo,or Armenian.... There have been others but i can not remember their names...
                  I try.

                  Most of the Turkish users here never take time to consider the Armenian side of the story. What I mean is that they ignore a post and just say something like "oh you live in dream world" (sadi) or "stupid armenian diaspora" (thinktwice). That's not a good argument either, and quite insulting as well.
                  Last edited by TomServo; 06-07-2005, 06:59 AM.

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                  • #99
                    belgium says it is illegal to say " Genocide didnt Occure"... phuck the 2 face European Culture.. i am bored of their smile and kill policies...

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by TomServo
                      I try.

                      Most of the Turkish users here never take time to consider the Armenian side of the story. What I mean is that they ignore a post and just say something like "oh you live in dream world" (sadi) or "stupid armenian diaspora" (thinktwice). That's not a good argument either, and quite insulting as well.

                      to live in a dream world.... !!! How a big insult... ohhhh ... sorryyyy forgive me....

                      is this the insult of mine, that all you could find to legitimete your insults that i can not write here... ?

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